I figured this out during the pandemic

you just want to pay a lot of money to make them miserable, and also waive any benefit that society could recoup from having them be fed.

Pretty much what they want, but some are even worse. There is a phrase “3 hots and a cot” to mean 3 meals and a place to sleep. People like my uncle say it with disgust, as if they shouldn’t be fed, that they’re somehow on an enviable vacation being in prison… They’re so gross…

Oh there is further division.

There’s also those who understand that they care too much for their own good and try not to.
And then there is those that are good at finding out what others care about and using it against them.

It’s :

1. Those who value human life and
2. Those who $$value$$ human life

It’s not just about caring for others. They get offended by seeing anybody be a better person in any way, so they want to criminalize being a good person to never feel inferior to others again, without having to actually do anything good themselves.

When I say “leave me alone”, I mean:

• don’t come up to my table when I am studying, snatch what I am working on and run away…
• don’t bang/kick on my door when you only intend to run away…
• don’t steal stuff from my bag/locker/whatever container legally marked as mine…
• don’t, when you randomly see me walking on the road, minding my own business, come and beat me up or try to frame me for some random crime that you made up…

… just to then say, “oh! I’m just trying to make friends”.

If that is how you (whoever that is) make friends, leave me alone. I don’t want to be made into your “friend”.

I don’t think I’ve encountered any of those behaviors, except maybe rarely in like middle school. Those are not healthy, prosocial behaviors, nor are they commonplace.

I had to pretend to not care about others, because you actually get shamed if you do care. So I push forward all sorts of anti-social things, because it’s best we just end this society thing now and stop hurting each other.

Humans are clearly unworthy of having societies. So I run on 0 trust.

Hitler iirc, tried to smuggle out a jew, in an ironic twist.

It’s simply a property you have or don’t have. Obviously it’s a more meaningful, deeper thing than being a bootstraps sociopath. But the thing is, if someone needs an actual reason to have empathy, then they just aren’t truly a good person really.

The way I try to convince them, is by saying that empathy is the reason they are here, and have what they do. And that like others gave to them, they should give to others. It’s like a retroactive deal, where the reason the whole thing works, is because you pay forward to the next generation, in hopes that they will do the same.

Then we got generations of bootstrap sociopaths that leave their own children in impossible situations. They don’t care about right or wrong.

My father wondering why my brother is psychotic, after he laughed at and teased him every time he cried, and told him men don’t cry. I knew this, and tried the soft approach, but he told me he is way older and more experienced, that he knows what he is doing.

My brother broke his hand with a stick. To be fair, I found it hard to be empathetic to a child crying because they didn’t get something also, I’d just crack up if it was something absurd, I couldn’t help it. We lived like absolute shit, and he is freaking out because he lost in a game.

It’s up to us, to apply plain force, economic or otherwise to get these people in line. It’s the sad reality. We have two options: do something about it, or let it burn, and hope more of us than them survive.

Western capitalistic mantra idolizes individualism. Its so ingrained in the culture that you can actually not care about anyone outside of your ingroup and do okay. In other cultures you would be cooked.

Lack of empathy is a natural consequence of the culture. I always find it fascinating that people here relish in their disdain towards others. Don’t get me wrong people can be annoying.

But when you combine disdain for others with a perception of patriotism that is centered on violence, you are creating the optimal conditions for fascism to take root.

But I wanted to go to the salon and then to applebees

It feels bad for a poor person to get food is only true under a capitalist brainrot worldview. Throughout most of human history it felt good to help the poor.

Kind of tall poppy-ish isn’t it? Even just acknowledging that good can be done can trigger some really hostile reactions from people.

Like I get it, we’ve been trained into it to manage the information density and society we find ourselves in, but surely you’d expect the human part to kick in at some point right?

Fuck me that’s a good way to put it.

not healthy, prosocial behaviors, nor are they commonplace

Of course they aren’t.
But you require that kind of experience to create a person that would go “leave me alone” with the pitiful tone of someone who has had to decrease their expectations from life more than what is commonplace.

And of course, even for a middle-schooler, that won’t be enough.
On top of that you will require that whenever they were to try to complain to the teacher about it, they then would have to be told off instead of being helped. Because you are “not supposed to study in the study room during the afternoon rest time”, even though you will not get to sleep either, because others are wrestling around in the dormitory.

Only so long as shame has power. Once it doesn’t, that mask come off.

Ur pandemic example is flawed. Its absolutely quicker to just let everyone go about their lives as usual. The only people at risk of death where the elderly or those with comorbidities. Letting 1-1.5% of the population die would be far quicker and due to the demographics effected would have actually been good for the economy not counting the economic wins of not shutting everything down for ages.

Yep, familiar with that phrase. I’ve also heard stories of people “robbing” banks for a dollar just so they could get put in jail for that bare minimum of food and shelter (and idk if it’s true but the unhesitating believability of it alone is a damning indictment). So really, by withholding food and shelter from free people, we’re incentivizing criminal activity.

Do these law & order, fiscal conservative republicans want to lower the crime rate and reduce spending or not?