I figured this out during the pandemic
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It’s crazy to me that the people around me would rather “accidentally” harm someone that doesn’t deserve it than accidentally help someone that might not deserve it
Fuck me that’s a good way to put it.
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I don’t think I’ve encountered any of those behaviors, except maybe rarely in like middle school. Those are not healthy, prosocial behaviors, nor are they commonplace.
not healthy, prosocial behaviors, nor are they commonplace
Of course they aren’t.
But you require that kind of experience to create a person that would go “leave me alone” with the pitiful tone of someone who has had to decrease their expectations from life more than what is commonplace.
And of course, even for a middle-schooler, that won’t be enough.
On top of that you will require that whenever they were to try to complain to the teacher about it, they then would have to be told off instead of being helped. Because you are “not supposed to study in the study room during the afternoon rest time”, even though you will not get to sleep either, because others are wrestling around in the dormitory. -
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Only so long as shame has power. Once it doesn’t, that mask come off.
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I swear to fucking god that it’s not even that; it’s people that care for others, and people that are willfully ignorant that it’s actually pragmatically cheaper and more efficient to care for others than to treat them like shit.
Pandemic as an example : the more you stay indoors and try to stop the spread of the virus, the faster the pandemic ends and the faster YOU can get back to normal. FORGET that it also stops people dying and protects the vulnerable, it’s in YOUR SELFISH INTEREST.
Or having a basic system of social welfare : giving bread to a poor person costs the price of the bread. Having to imprison them, pay for cops, repair of broken things, investigations etc costs more fucking money. even if you hate people and want them to die, it’s fucking CHEAPER FOR YOU.
Ur pandemic example is flawed. Its absolutely quicker to just let everyone go about their lives as usual. The only people at risk of death where the elderly or those with comorbidities. Letting 1-1.5% of the population die would be far quicker and due to the demographics effected would have actually been good for the economy not counting the economic wins of not shutting everything down for ages.
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you just want to pay a lot of money to make them miserable, and also waive any benefit that society could recoup from having them be fed.
Pretty much what they want, but some are even worse. There is a phrase “3 hots and a cot” to mean 3 meals and a place to sleep. People like my uncle say it with disgust, as if they shouldn’t be fed, that they’re somehow on an enviable vacation being in prison… They’re so gross…
Yep, familiar with that phrase. I’ve also heard stories of people “robbing” banks for a dollar just so they could get put in jail for that bare minimum of food and shelter (and idk if it’s true but the unhesitating believability of it alone is a damning indictment). So really, by withholding food and shelter from free people, we’re incentivizing criminal activity.
Do these law & order, fiscal conservative republicans want to lower the crime rate and reduce spending or not?
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I don’t care about others, therefore I don’t care who they love, what they do with their bodies, how and where they live their life as long as it doesn’t impact my choices and my life.
Would I be in that second camp then?
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I had to pretend to not care about others, because you actually get shamed if you do care. So I push forward all sorts of anti-social things, because it’s best we just end this society thing now and stop hurting each other.
Humans are clearly unworthy of having societies. So I run on 0 trust.
Name checks out
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I don’t think I’ve encountered any of those behaviors, except maybe rarely in like middle school. Those are not healthy, prosocial behaviors, nor are they commonplace.
Then check your privilege before judging those who experience this kind of stuff.
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Oh there is further division.
There’s also those who understand that they care too much for their own good and try not to.
And then there is those that are good at finding out what others care about and using it against them.There are also those who care too much about others’ good (sort of). Codependency.
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I don’t care about others, therefore I don’t care who they love, what they do with their bodies, how and where they live their life as long as it doesn’t impact my choices and my life.
Would I be in that second camp then?
Would you stand up and speak up on someones behalf if injustice was done to them and they couldn’t defend themselves?
I know it’s a bit harsh and just a different interpretation but one could easily read your stance as “at least i don’t actively hurt others, so dont shame me for not caring about them as long as it doesn’t affect me”
Again a bit harsh i know but maybe worth thinking about 乁( •_• )ㄏ
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Would you stand up and speak up on someones behalf if injustice was done to them and they couldn’t defend themselves?
I know it’s a bit harsh and just a different interpretation but one could easily read your stance as “at least i don’t actively hurt others, so dont shame me for not caring about them as long as it doesn’t affect me”
Again a bit harsh i know but maybe worth thinking about 乁( •_• )ㄏ
Would you stand up and speak up on someones behalf if injustice was done to them and they couldn’t defend themselves?
In front of me? Yes, but i wouldn’t go volunteering saving oppressed people.
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Yep, familiar with that phrase. I’ve also heard stories of people “robbing” banks for a dollar just so they could get put in jail for that bare minimum of food and shelter (and idk if it’s true but the unhesitating believability of it alone is a damning indictment). So really, by withholding food and shelter from free people, we’re incentivizing criminal activity.
Do these law & order, fiscal conservative republicans want to lower the crime rate and reduce spending or not?
Unfortunately I think a lot of these people are like that fox news host… “Just kill em all.”
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Read the Law of One. It explains it well.
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Would you stand up and speak up on someones behalf if injustice was done to them and they couldn’t defend themselves?
In front of me? Yes, but i wouldn’t go volunteering saving oppressed people.
Seems like to an extent you do care
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If you don’t care about others you don’t deserve to be cared for. It’s not complicated.
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If you don’t care about others you don’t deserve to be cared for. It’s not complicated.
I agree on this. But I feel all of civilization is like this, and that I should not care about it, because I didn’t get even basic treatment, but had all the responsibilities of a healthy person.
Why would I care about something so cruel, so twisted?
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I agree on this. But I feel all of civilization is like this, and that I should not care about it, because I didn’t get even basic treatment, but had all the responsibilities of a healthy person.
Why would I care about something so cruel, so twisted?
Society fails a lot of people. That’s not your fault, and you shouldn’t feel bad about feeling that way. That’s society’s fault.
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If you don’t care about others you don’t deserve to be cared for. It’s not complicated.
Golden rule is a good one to live by.
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Would you stand up and speak up on someones behalf if injustice was done to them and they couldn’t defend themselves?
In front of me? Yes, but i wouldn’t go volunteering saving oppressed people.
Sounds rational to me. I’ve also observed many who purport to “care so much”, but it’s really a veil to dodge accountability or otherwise manipulate or pull various social levers. I steer clear of those that are quick to play social games, including shame, to gain status or get their way.
I’ll take rational, well-reasoned, and balanced empathy over manic, performative forms of “care” any day of the week. i.e.: It’s nowhere near a simple binary, those that care and those that don’t. Deceitful opportunists infect all demographics.
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I don’t care about others, therefore I don’t care who they love, what they do with their bodies, how and where they live their life as long as it doesn’t impact my choices and my life.
Would I be in that second camp then?
Do you care if they’re locked up or killed because of who they love, what they do with their bodies, or how and where they live their life?
That’s the type of care we’re talking about.
