It’s a very different model for communication.

@reflex @jaz @earth_walker

Let me put it another way, I have no intention of operating an unmoderatable community service.

It does not block screenshots, reporting mechanisms will still be valid.

Again, assuming this implementation does not do something weird.

It's an international standard, the concerns you have can be raised, but likely are not valid.

I’ll have to put it here instead

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that's what *you* are doing

so you put the "dictating what we all want" out there. but how dare anyone push back?

it's absolutely fine to get your opinion out there

but you can't fallback to the comment you just made, expecting as if you won't receive any other opinion in response to yours. that's not the way it works

i'm not in charge here. and *you* aren't in charge here. get your opinion out, receive some pushback: welcome to life

i give your troll attempt a... 3/10

nice try troll

keep working at it

remember: the point of trolling is entertainment, so you want to make me feel like i should go get the buttered popcorn

i believe in you. you can do it. be the best troll you can be!

because everyone is an armchair CEO

they have their own personal agenda, and their point of view is "anything that strays from my personal point of view is impure and insincere, somehow. oh, and this entitles me to whine and sometimes even be abusive about it on social media and dictate orders"

mastodon is doing DM encryption because users want it

that's all

"WhatsApp, Instagram"

why are you using those spy apps? you complain about bloat and intrusion, and use these?

i mean use them if you want to. but it's just odd to take a stand on a point of purity, then in the same comment, betray that very sense of purity

“Inviolate” is a pretty strong word..

I’d say that this will make it prohibitively expensive for most “people in the middle” of your conversations (like server mods, IT workers, web scrapers, or general looky-loos) to intercept your encrypted messages. MUCH better than what we have now.

There’s always other ways that a well funded or morally unhindered group can break into your stuff.

Relevant comic: https://xkcd.com/538/

Hey Holos guys/gals/peoples, we’d love to talk to you about making all these encrypted messengers work together. The spec is public and we’re meeting on video pretty regularly to work out details.

I know it sucks to refactor code, but just think of how cool it will be when all of these apps work together!

@lgsp @apps @HolosSocial

>Is it added complexity for server admins?

Yes

>Shouldn't good E2EE be able to operate securely especially under hostile conditions?

Yes

Is this similar to what @apps has implemented in @HolosSocial ? Will they be compatible then?

For sure. The core feature set is growing. I’m lazer focused on E2EE at the moment, but there are actually a number of other BIG projects in their announcement. It’s going to be a very busy time at Mastodon HQ!

Well, in a way, Mastodon already reads mail. I just see this as an upgrade to the existing feature set, but not really a change of mission.

I get your point that there’s already lots of encrypted messengers. But the encryption is the least interesting part. It’s the communities they serve that makes the biggest difference. And I believe E2EE will just help apps to serve people better.