@mastodonmigration @thisismissem I think how I understand the key of @thisismissem's call is that this isn't so much about not discussing decentralization and each protocol's problems and so on and pretending there are no faults when there are, but about keeping the discussion civil, having respect for each other, discussing real facts, trying to be well informed and objective when doing so, avoiding [dm]isinformation, and generally not crossing the line from criticism into attacks/fighting

@mastodonmigration @thisismissem So we can push them to make better docs, more configurable and easier to install distributions of the software, add the missing pieces and so on, but we can't really push Bluesky to create alternative non-Bluesky relays, appviews, PDS hosts etc. themselves, this is on us.

@mastodonmigration @thisismissem Tbh I generally agree with the PoV I've read a few times on Bluesky, that making Bluesky/ATProto more decentralized isn't something that is the responsibility of Bluesky PBC, but rather the community… Kind of by definition they can't work on setting up servers which aren't theirs. Other people/orgs need to do that. What they can do is only try to make it easier, maybe change the incentives etc.

@mastodonmigration @wjmaggos @thisismissem Yeah, I think that thread was the source of recent arguments and then a lot of people were tired of that

@wjmaggos The initiative came from @thisismissem, who is mostly active in the Mastodon/Fediverse ecosystem and not in ATProto - are you suggesting that she has some secret knowledge about Bluesky's business plans and is working with them?… 🫠