Based and Red Pilled Gigachad, many such cases đ
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Thereâs a fine line between ânot believing that propagandaâ and âbeing a conspiracy theoristâ
Like âProject Prismâ
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Define âstrawmanâ and define âparaphrasing.â
You did not paraphrase, you made up an entirely different thing that was never said by me.
Say something negative about Putin.
The government moderates it along with the laws we put into place that protect us. Again, they are already doing this without the laws or transparency via private businesses.
Propaganda WARFARE is new, mostly online, and hasnât been used like this before ~2016. It is NOT democracy to hear a select few peopleâs opinion over and over again.
Capitalism is inherently fascist, see The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal World Order by Gerstle. It cannot be truly democratic due to its inherent fascism, and part of that is the relentless propaganda used during capitalism via commercials, media, etc to sway people from freely consenting and critically thinking. People donât need âpropagandaâ to learn about policies, they can watch town halls, debates, talks, etc, discuss them with each other, and freely exchange ideas. (Doesnât surprise me at all that you are in support of fascist control of info).
Propaganda warfare is literally fascism, made by fascists, to spread fascism.
Hey can you say something negative about Putin?
Define âstrawmanâ and define âparaphrasing.â
Strawman: Misrepresenting someones point as a different, less strong, point.
Paraphrasing: Expressing the same concept in different wording.Hence why I was paraphrasing, because I didnât misrepresent your point.
Say something negative about Putin.
Are you going to do this on every post now? Do you need me to recite the pledge of allegiance every post too? Say something negative about Barack Obama.
The government moderates it
Ok. So itâs information control by the government.
Propaganda WARFARE is new, mostly online, and hasnât been used like this before ~2016.
Lol. Yeah ok. Iâm not sure who youâre expecting is going to take seriously the idea that propaganda campaigns werenât invented until decades after the cold war.
Capitalism is inherently fascist, see The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal World Order by Gerstle. It cannot be truly democratic due to its inherent fascism, and part of that is the relentless propaganda used during capitalism via commercials, media, etc to sway people from freely consenting and critically thinking.
No disagreement here; but surely you realize this also means that control of information by a capitalist government isnât the solution.
Propaganda warfare is literally fascism, made by fascists, to spread fascism.
Just because fascists use propaganda doesnâtâ mean that they invented it or only they use it.
Hey can you say something negative about Putin?
Wow, so youâre not just going to ask this every post, youâre going to ask it multiple times per post. Do you need me to sign a loyalty pledge too? Swear under oath that I am not and have never been a member of the communist party?
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Lmfao it isnât xenophobia to stand up to a nation or nations actively attacking you with huge military campaigns for millions of dollars. It isnt xenophobia to criticize a foreign government engaging in massive human rights abuses including slavery.
Where have I stated American exceptionalism even once?
Where have I stated anything McCarthyism related? Do you think modern Russia is communist? Do you think Putin is communist?
Can you say anything negative about Putin?
No shit, I donât support the US doing this shit either.
Lmfao it isnât xenophobia to stand up to a nation or nations actively attacking you with huge military campaigns for millions of dollars. It isnt xenophobia to criticize a foreign government engaging in massive human rights abuses including slavery.
OK? That has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, because thatâs not what we were talking about. Unless youâre just deliberately trying to motte-and-bailly out of what you said.
Where have I stated American exceptionalism even once?
The bit where you assume that none of Americaâs problems could be domestic, theyâre all the result of a grand conspiracy by evil foreigners.
Where have I stated anything McCarthyism related? Do you think modern Russia is communist? Do you think Putin is communist?
Lol, so accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a secret Russian agent is fine so long as you donât also call them a communist? Fuck off, youâre being disingenuous and you know; constantly blaming everything on massive infiltration by Russian agents, including attacking all dissent by accusing them of being Russian agents, is McCarthyism regardless of whether Russia is communist.
Can you say anything negative about Putin?
Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?
No shit, I donât support the US doing this shit either.
Sure you do, by claiming that when America does it, itâs secretively Russiaâs fault, and anyone who criticizes the US for it is secretly Russian.
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You can source your claims. Iâll wait. There is too much here that is hyperbole or speculation and not based in reality, even if there are points sprinkled in that I agree with largely or in part. If a majority of right-wing influencers are literally and currently traitors, that is a serious accusation and requires serious proof. Letâs do something about it if you have evidence to support your assertions.
And social media companies are the ones promoting these influencers and their channels and putting people in bubbles with their algorithms. Not properly moderating comment sections is also a choice of social media companies. Advertisers also have no problem funding these right-wing influencers either.
Citizens are responsible for keeping their countries healthy, their media fair, and their governments and elected officials representing their interests.
As for BRICS âliberating usâ from Nazis - no, we got this. Farming was already unsustainable for reasons unrelated to Trump.
russias guilty of the vast majority of propaganda nd trolling on US MEDIA, and msm, where have you been?
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People who consume only a specific source of media are biased as fuck. You donât consume only media thatâs in favor of your beliefs. You have to consume the other sideâs propaganda as well. The truth is rarely spoken by anyone and lies somewhere in the middle.
The truth isnât content. It isnât engaging. Statements are.
Right wingers, do it in a specific way, they have either fox on all day long, or if they are on the computer, they have X posts just literring thier webpages, joe rogan or a right wing talking head video playing in the background for hours on end. thats how they reinforce the biases.
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BRICS literal stated purpose is western currency collapse, and they formed a coalition around this stated purpose.
Russia is a state run by a dictator who is having them do this, so thatâs why they are grouped.
It isnât âanyâ story, it is literally about their online warfare.
Please learn to read
Please learn a basic good faith argument
I didnât say Russia was behind all global issues or all of Americaâs issues. I listed what Russia has specifically been doing because that was the info missing. I even mentioned Dubai and BRICS as you noted, so you contradict yourself here that I say only Russia is behind anything anyway. But the topic was Russia and Russia has all the blackmail so that is why they are the focus.
You canât criticize Putin? Lol you ARE a bot. Not least because you havenât been able to add to the discussion at all like a normal person.
BRICS literal stated purpose is western currency collapse, and they formed a coalition around this stated purpose.
Listen mate, nobody is going to take seriously the argument that trying to form a rival currency bloc to the US dollar is literal warfare except for the most insane fascists.
Russia is a state run by a dictator who is having them do this,
Oh, so Russia secretly controls India and China now too! Fucking Qanon tier shit.
It isnât âanyâ story, it is literally about their online warfare.
Well thatâs just straight up lying; https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62465043 this has nothing to do with online warfare, liar.
I even mentioned Dubai and BRICS as you noted, so you contradict yourself here that I say only Russia is behind anything anyway.
You mean the thing you just said was controlled by Russia?
Please learn a basic good faith argument
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You canât criticize Putin? Lol you ARE a bot.
You canât criticize Obama? Lol you ARE a bot!
Not least because you havenât been able to add to the discussion at all like a normal person.
Lol. OK. Apparently ânormalâ means âendlessly ignoring actual arguments and just screeching âRUSSIAN BOT!â at anyone who disagrees.â
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Im seeing this just after having a while conversation about conservative Christians making a big deal about âfinding truth in faithâ after the Kirk shooting and this feels similar to me
Thereâs this clear implication that the âtruthâ can only be found through your ideological worldview, and a complete abandoning of any attempt at justifying or supporting it through reason. Any piece of information thatâs misaligned is dismissed as propaganda - but whatâs especially annoying is that it doesnât even have to be coherently opposed to truth but merely distracting from whatâs supposedly more important.
Americans are one of the most propagandized populations on the planet - but I wouldnât even put Russia in the top 5 sources of it.
russia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides too. its one of thier core strategies to distract west from russias geopolitical aspirations. i think russia has USA beat on being propagandized, usa is probably 2ND, if at most 3rd.
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BRICS literal stated purpose is western currency collapse, and they formed a coalition around this stated purpose.
Russia is a state run by a dictator who is having them do this, so thatâs why they are grouped.
It isnât âanyâ story, it is literally about their online warfare.
Please learn to read
Please learn a basic good faith argument
I didnât say Russia was behind all global issues or all of Americaâs issues. I listed what Russia has specifically been doing because that was the info missing. I even mentioned Dubai and BRICS as you noted, so you contradict yourself here that I say only Russia is behind anything anyway. But the topic was Russia and Russia has all the blackmail so that is why they are the focus.
You canât criticize Putin? Lol you ARE a bot. Not least because you havenât been able to add to the discussion at all like a normal person.
Lol, youâre just literally copy pasting random comments without actually bothering to read what youâre replying to now
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To be fair, everyoneâs views are shaped by propaganda of some kind, itâs quite literally unavoidable if you exist within any society. Lots of people like to think that their ideas are just the product of their own independent thinking, but that isnât really how people work.
its one thing to have different kinds of propaganda , but RW only consume 1 kind of pure propaganda as thier sole source of information.
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russia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides too. its one of thier core strategies to distract west from russias geopolitical aspirations. i think russia has USA beat on being propagandized, usa is probably 2ND, if at most 3rd.
You know America is cooked when even liberals are coming up with grand conspiricy theories to blame all of the countries problems on sinister forigners. Any evidence that ârussia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides tooâ? Of course not, but it feels right, because it explains the current state of things while still maintaining American exceptionalism, so thatâs good enough.
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Sorry, you donât think thereâs Russian propaganda on Lemmy?
Nope, stop right there. Youâre trying to dodge away from what we were actually talking about, so Iâm just going to repeat what I said.
So all of those links contain evidence for the specific claim that Russian is engaged in âMASSIVE MASSIVE warfare on Lemmyâ specifically? Because if not, and itâs actually just you posting every unrelated link about Russia doing anything bad you could find in the hope that the sheer number of them would dissuade anyone from actually double checking, then you are actively and deliberately lying through your teeth. So which is it?
Lol, are you one of them? Your arguments are kinda sus tbh and come across like the fake liberal people trying to cause outrage with buzzwords. Bots (aka human slaves) love misunderstanding words like racism, sexism, xenophobia, and cultural appropriation, accuse people of them in trying to shame people so they wonât keep talking. Wonât work on me. And if you arenât a bot, then you have the personality of someone making rage bait to avoid torture which is just funny af if thatâs what your REAL personality is like.
Notice how this is all just substanceless personal attacks and McCarthyism (literally uses the phrase âAre you one of them?!â). This is purely trying to distract from the fact that you have not actual argument by reverting to just attacking me.
Tell me something negative about Putin.
Putin is an ultranationalist dictator who only cares about personal power and is only different from outright fascists in so much as heâs too self interested and cynical to believe in a cause larger than himself. He willingly oversaw the dismantleing and selling off of Russia to the oligarch class and is currently engaged in a brutal war of aggression that will be the cause of mass human suffering for decades to come. Heâs basically the Saddam of Europe and I wonât be sad if he goes out the same way.
Tell me something negative about Xiâs government.
Where the fuck does this come from, what does Xi have to do with any of this? Oh right, youâre so xenophobic that you consider China and Russia to just be interchangeable synonymâs for âthe evil foreignersâ
Do you understand what a lie is? Making a connection isnât a lie. If I see 1+1+1=? and answer 3, Iâm not lying, Iâm just completing the equation.
So this is just an admition that you were lying when you said your sources contained the claim. This is literally Qanon reasoning.
It isnât âanything bad,â itâs literally example after example of them doing exactly this, along with some of their talking points so you can compare to other puppets talking points, like yours.
See, youâve developed as completely circular, unfalsifiable, reasoning: Russians are behind everything bad - therefore everything bad is Russian, proving that everything bad is from Russia. Once youâve decided that everything you disagree with is âa Russian talking pointâ and everyone who disagrees with you is âa Russian puppetâ by definition, then yes, everything bad is because of Russian.
It literally isnât xenophobia
It literally is, itâs literally saying that all of your countryâs domestic problems are secretly the fault of foreign enemies.
Being actively attacked by an administration and standing up against it is normal and bravery.
Lol. If propaganda actually counted as âactively attackingâ then the USA has been actively attacking the entire human race, including the Russian federation, for decades, and Russia is actually normal and brave for standing up to you. But it doesntâ count as that, youâre just redefining words.
Is Ukraine being xenophobic when they say Russia is attacking them too?
No, because Ukraine is actually, physically being attacked by Russia, not just claiming that every single domestic problem is actually part of a foreign conspiracy. By your reasoning here, Nazi Germany wouldnât have been xenophobic for saying the Judeo-Boleshoviks were attacking them.
BRICS literal stated purpose is to collapse western currency. It is economic warfare.
Damn, now even trying to challenge the global dominance of the US dollar is warfare. Seems like you just consider anything opposed to the Glorious light of the Exceptional USA as ontologically evil. Just to be clear; this is the most insanely fascistic shit I have seen in a long time. Even Zionists donât go this far.
The actual quote:
Russia has engaged in MASSIVE MASSIVE online warfare, including on Lemmy (eg, you, maybe).
Including on Lemmy means they have a masive campaign and that includes some bots on Lemmy. Learn to read what is written. Stop strawmanning. Stop pretending you can mind read - thatâs also a psychiatric symptom btw.
Asking if you are a bot because you are parroting pro-Russian talking points when faced with other evidence is not âsubstancelessâ personal attacks lol.
Putin is an outright fascist.
BRICS, keep up. This was established numerous comments ago.
What claim? The claim YOU randomly invented because you strawman so much? You yourself did not disagree that thereâs Russian propaganda on Lemmy.
See, youâve developed as completely circular, unfalsifiable, reasoning: Russians are behind everything bad - therefore everything bad is Russian, proving that everything bad is from Russia. Once youâve decided that everything you disagree with is âa Russian talking pointâ and everyone who disagrees with you is âa Russian puppetâ by definition, then yes, everything bad is because of Russian.
No, this isnât what I said. Strawman. You know I didnât say it, because I didnât use those words, I used other words because they specifically conveyed my actual meaning, which is not the above.
itâs literally saying that all of your countryâs domestic problems are secretly the fault of foreign enemies.
No, this isnât what I said. Strawman. You know I didnât say it, because I didnât use those words, I used other words because they specifically conveyed my actual meaning, which is not the above.
then the USA has been actively attacking the entire human race, including the Russian federation, for decades, and Russia is actually normal and brave for standing up to you. But it doesntâ count as that, youâre just redefining words.
Yes, the USA has been and is fascist too, all capitalist governments are inherently fascist, this has already been explained to you. This includes Russia too, both countries are fascist. Neither are brave or good for being fascist warmongers and both used the other as a scapegoat to rid themselves of undesirables.
Iâm not âredefining words,â projection on your part.
People are literally dying, a physical attack, from this propaganda. Measles outbreaks, people eating bad food, gun violence, etc etc. Their deaths are as valid as if theyâd been shot directly.
not just claiming that every single domestic problem is actually part of a foreign conspiracy. By your reasoning here, Nazi Germany wouldnât have been xenophobic for saying the Judeo-Boleshoviks were attacking them.
Strawman again.
Damn, now even trying to challenge the global dominance of the US dollar is warfare. Seems like you just consider anything opposed to the Glorious light of the Exceptional USA as ontologically evil. Just to be clear; this is the most insanely fascistic shit I have seen in a long time. Even Zionists donât go this far
Yeah, okay, with this it is clear youâre having a bad mental health episode. I donât care to be your punching bag for your delusions, mania, and/or psychosis which Iâve politely labeled strawmans and mindreading up to now. The âtalking like Qanonâ thing is clearly projection on your part. Much of what you said is nonsensical or just wrong, youâve been informed of that and are unable to adjust or have a good faith argument at any level. You have failed in every comment to actually read the actual words I say and respond to the actual words I say. I may as well not be here lol, and any readers have the info they may want anyway.
I have no issue with reducing the global power of the USD and I am sympathetic to why other countries would do it. However, they do not care to do it gently, causing death, which needs to be addressed locally starting with acknowledging it.
The rest - yeah, Iâm sure the evil boogeyman narrative your brain invented towards me is really insanely fascist and evil lol. You are a good creative writer and make very spooky characters with very spooky buzzwords. It isnât me because I didnât say anything you claim was said, but that other guy youâve invented is a really scary guy for sure. You are doing great arguing against them and defeating them. They are just so evil.
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Lol, youâre just literally copy pasting random comments without actually bothering to read what youâre replying to now
No, you double posted this comment and so I double posted my response. Yikes
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No, you double posted this comment and so I double posted my response. Yikes
Ok, well thatâs just verifiablely false. And your copy pasted comment doesnât even address mine in the first place
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You know America is cooked when even liberals are coming up with grand conspiricy theories to blame all of the countries problems on sinister forigners. Any evidence that ârussia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides tooâ? Of course not, but it feels right, because it explains the current state of things while still maintaining American exceptionalism, so thatâs good enough.
Hehe .ml user being defensive
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Define âstrawmanâ and define âparaphrasing.â
Strawman: Misrepresenting someones point as a different, less strong, point.
Paraphrasing: Expressing the same concept in different wording.Hence why I was paraphrasing, because I didnât misrepresent your point.
Say something negative about Putin.
Are you going to do this on every post now? Do you need me to recite the pledge of allegiance every post too? Say something negative about Barack Obama.
The government moderates it
Ok. So itâs information control by the government.
Propaganda WARFARE is new, mostly online, and hasnât been used like this before ~2016.
Lol. Yeah ok. Iâm not sure who youâre expecting is going to take seriously the idea that propaganda campaigns werenât invented until decades after the cold war.
Capitalism is inherently fascist, see The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal World Order by Gerstle. It cannot be truly democratic due to its inherent fascism, and part of that is the relentless propaganda used during capitalism via commercials, media, etc to sway people from freely consenting and critically thinking.
No disagreement here; but surely you realize this also means that control of information by a capitalist government isnât the solution.
Propaganda warfare is literally fascism, made by fascists, to spread fascism.
Just because fascists use propaganda doesnâtâ mean that they invented it or only they use it.
Hey can you say something negative about Putin?
Wow, so youâre not just going to ask this every post, youâre going to ask it multiple times per post. Do you need me to sign a loyalty pledge too? Swear under oath that I am not and have never been a member of the communist party?
A strawman is taking someoneâs genuine argument and then distorting or misrepresenting it to make it easier to attack. A strawman argument isnât valid and it isnât paraphrasing. Generally when people paraphrase in good faith, they will ask if they said the paraphrase correctly and will correct themselves if it is incorrect.
They cannot remove just anything, they have to have a legal basis to do so and can be sued, less government control than now.
I said propaganda warfare, meaning online propaganda warfare that started in 2016, a new type of warfare. Obviously.
Again, it is less control than what exists presently already via private companies that would still exist later anyway. We still can advocate for progress even within capitalism and fascism, thatâs how we dig out of both.
Propaganda warfare in my comment is specifically referencing online warfare since 2016, and it is absolutely Putinâs baby.
You did slightly better on this comment in terms of nonsensical spewing, nice
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BRICS literal stated purpose is western currency collapse, and they formed a coalition around this stated purpose.
Listen mate, nobody is going to take seriously the argument that trying to form a rival currency bloc to the US dollar is literal warfare except for the most insane fascists.
Russia is a state run by a dictator who is having them do this,
Oh, so Russia secretly controls India and China now too! Fucking Qanon tier shit.
It isnât âanyâ story, it is literally about their online warfare.
Well thatâs just straight up lying; https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62465043 this has nothing to do with online warfare, liar.
I even mentioned Dubai and BRICS as you noted, so you contradict yourself here that I say only Russia is behind anything anyway.
You mean the thing you just said was controlled by Russia?
Please learn a basic good faith argument
Once paragraph later:
You canât criticize Putin? Lol you ARE a bot.
You canât criticize Obama? Lol you ARE a bot!
Not least because you havenât been able to add to the discussion at all like a normal person.
Lol. OK. Apparently ânormalâ means âendlessly ignoring actual arguments and just screeching âRUSSIAN BOT!â at anyone who disagrees.â
I can see youâre having a worsening of your mental health event, Iâm done talking to you. Have fun with your creative writing exercise!
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Lmfao it isnât xenophobia to stand up to a nation or nations actively attacking you with huge military campaigns for millions of dollars. It isnt xenophobia to criticize a foreign government engaging in massive human rights abuses including slavery.
OK? That has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, because thatâs not what we were talking about. Unless youâre just deliberately trying to motte-and-bailly out of what you said.
Where have I stated American exceptionalism even once?
The bit where you assume that none of Americaâs problems could be domestic, theyâre all the result of a grand conspiracy by evil foreigners.
Where have I stated anything McCarthyism related? Do you think modern Russia is communist? Do you think Putin is communist?
Lol, so accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a secret Russian agent is fine so long as you donât also call them a communist? Fuck off, youâre being disingenuous and you know; constantly blaming everything on massive infiltration by Russian agents, including attacking all dissent by accusing them of being Russian agents, is McCarthyism regardless of whether Russia is communist.
Can you say anything negative about Putin?
Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?
No shit, I donât support the US doing this shit either.
Sure you do, by claiming that when America does it, itâs secretively Russiaâs fault, and anyone who criticizes the US for it is secretly Russian.
I can see youâre having a worsening of your mental health event, Iâm done talking to you. Have fun with your creative writing exercise!
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THE LARGEST MOST COMMONLY WATCHED BEST FUNDED MEDIA OUTLET ISNT MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!1!
How else do you define âmainstreamâ than âmost commonly watchedâ?
TBH, ALL of the major news teams (CBS, ABC, CNN, msNBC) have succumbed to PumpkinLordâs rhetoric (almost NO calling out his lies or unconstitutional ploys).Fox is the Eye of Sauron. May Reagan burn in intolerable hell for unleashing that shit upon us.
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Just some quick bigger stories. There are others as well.
Thanks for those! Good sourcing.
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So 80% of lemmy.ml users?
Probably not 80% of their users, but definitely the majority of the active ones.
