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  • M manmoth@lemmy.ml

    His Mom said he had become more political lately. Specifically left-leaning, pro-gay and pro-trans. He left a note for his trans roommate that he was going to assassinate Kirk. He said that he “Had enough of Kirks hatred” in his discord chat and inscribed pro-trans, gay and antifascist rhetoric on the bullets.

    https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/charlie-kirk-murder-suspect-texts-motive-b2827814.html

    How is any of this right wing?

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    ghostedic@sh.itjust.works
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    Hey, checking the facts isn’t welcome here!

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    • T tollana1234567@lemmy.today

      no it would alienate thier base, if they blame the right wing group associated with fuentes. the gop could lose seats if they start recognizing that a right winger is the shooter, and those supporters would turn on them in a second. they are also finding it difficult to blame the left, because almost none of the political violence is caused by the left in the first place, except for rare instances.

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      ghostedic@sh.itjust.works
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      I’m starting to think there are more rare instances of left wing violence than common instances of right wing violence.

      In the future, when you watch more of Tyler Robinson’s social media get released to the public and then see him testify at trial, you will see how obvious it is that the claims he was anything other than a pure “reddit leftist” were shameless gaslighting.

      When that happens, please try to think back to all the other times you’ve been lied to.

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      • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldM mojofrododojo@lemmy.world

        they love antifa because they can point at anything they don’t like and scream antifa, and now law enforcement will fall on it.

        fucking fascists.

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        theoriginalgregtoo@lemmy.world
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        The left loves Antifa because they can use it as cover for illegal behavior. It’s convenient that you continue to claim Antifa doesn’t exist, yet you all coordinate with each other in breaking the law. Hard to coordinate with something that doesn’t exist.

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        • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

          According to The Onion, he once had a trans Uber driver so that obviously makes him a leftist.

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          ghostedic@sh.itjust.works
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          You can bake cookies twice a week for years and nobody calls you a baker.

          But you have sex with ONE HORSE…

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          • G ghostedic@sh.itjust.works

            I’m starting to think there are more rare instances of left wing violence than common instances of right wing violence.

            In the future, when you watch more of Tyler Robinson’s social media get released to the public and then see him testify at trial, you will see how obvious it is that the claims he was anything other than a pure “reddit leftist” were shameless gaslighting.

            When that happens, please try to think back to all the other times you’ve been lied to.

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            Encrypt-Keeper
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            There aren’t. The majority of political violence is committed by those with right wing ideologies. That isn’t to say that that can’t change in the future, but we’re a ways away from the right losing that crown.

            This year alone there were more political figures assassinated on the left by the right, than vice versa.

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            • M manmoth@lemmy.ml

              You could be characterized the same way.

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              orrk@lemmy.world
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              No, not really, I mean some tankies out there are like that, but then again if your logic is on the level of tankies you’re most likely wrong. A right wing shooter killed Kirk, that’s just a fact.

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              • G ghostedic@sh.itjust.works

                You can bake cookies twice a week for years and nobody calls you a baker.

                But you have sex with ONE HORSE…

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                jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                Hello, Uncle Jack.

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                • M manmoth@lemmy.ml

                  His Mom said he had become more political lately. Specifically left-leaning, pro-gay and pro-trans. He left a note for his trans roommate that he was going to assassinate Kirk. He said that he “Had enough of Kirks hatred” in his discord chat and inscribed pro-trans, gay and antifascist rhetoric on the bullets.

                  https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/charlie-kirk-murder-suspect-texts-motive-b2827814.html

                  How is any of this right wing?

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                  wolf314159@startrek.website
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                  So, far right parents in a conservative religion in a Republican town in a Republican state produced a child so tortured by a culture of hate and violence that as soon as they even start to lean either way their instinct is murder. Breaking the cycle of hate is relatively easy compared to breaking the cycle of violence. The statements they made to their roommate (even if that heresay is true) just confirm that they were a troubled child from a troubled culture trying to change. It should surprise no one that those childish attempts would be a VERY twisted reflection of the ideal. So no, he was not part of the left. Just a child in pain reacting the only way their conservative upbringing taught them.

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                  • N neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works

                    Nobody has direct evidence of the shooter’s motivations or political affiliation today. Nobody.

                    That could change, but today this is true.

                    Any evidence we have is circumstantial. Most of that circumstantial evidence points in the direction of an extreme right winger.

                    I’m sure there’s some circumstantial evidence pointing in the opposite direction, but it pales in comparison to the circumstantial evidence pointing in the far right direction.

                    Much of the circumstantial evidence pointing away from the far right came from a mis-attribution from the FBI to a trans rights marker that was debunked as categorically untrue. Or statements from the Utah Gov which are (AFAIK) not backed up by any actual evidence other than how he “wishes” it was. Or from Trump who is known for lying and making things up.

                    I’d be curious what evidence they have that hasn’t been announced/released yet that makes them think that.

                    I suspect they want it to be true that he was left leaning and they may be assigning too great a weight on the debunked FBI claims, the Utah Gov claims, and Trump’s claims; despite most of the circumstantial evidence that’s been released so far pointing in the direction of him being far right.

                    To be clear, this could change later today if the investigators were to release evidence about the shooter’s motivations. Until then, all we’ve got to go on is what circumstantial stuff has been released so far, and that’s largely pointing in the direction of the far right.

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                    ghostedic@sh.itjust.works
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                    Hi, I’m here to remind you that this is utterly delusional and even reddit mods are about to get real quiet how this “he was right wing” fabrication.

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                      nialv7@lemmy.world
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                      We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk’s death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.

                      But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don’t know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.

                      Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.

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                      • N nialv7@lemmy.world

                        We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk’s death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.

                        But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don’t know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.

                        Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.

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                        jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                        What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.

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                        • W wolf314159@startrek.website

                          So, far right parents in a conservative religion in a Republican town in a Republican state produced a child so tortured by a culture of hate and violence that as soon as they even start to lean either way their instinct is murder. Breaking the cycle of hate is relatively easy compared to breaking the cycle of violence. The statements they made to their roommate (even if that heresay is true) just confirm that they were a troubled child from a troubled culture trying to change. It should surprise no one that those childish attempts would be a VERY twisted reflection of the ideal. So no, he was not part of the left. Just a child in pain reacting the only way their conservative upbringing taught them.

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                          lemmyprnt@lemmy.world
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                          No true scotsman. Being against ideas of the right and killing someone for espousing them ipso facto is left wing.

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                          • N nialv7@lemmy.world

                            We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk’s death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.

                            But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don’t know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.

                            Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.

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                            peruvian_skies@sh.itjust.works
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                            Specifically what evidence released by the investigation do you feel characterizes the alleged killer as left-leaning? I have not seen any such evidence.

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                            • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                              What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.

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                              ghostedic@sh.itjust.works
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                              Multiple people who were interviewed said he was getting into leftist politics, he called Charlie Kirk a “fascist”. He had a MTF trans girlfriend. These are not typical MAGA traits.
                              https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero

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                              • G ghostedic@sh.itjust.works

                                Just to be clear, he was obviously part of the same way of left wing thinking that holds the following opinions:

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                                surph_ninja@lemmy.world
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                                Which of those opinions do you take issue with?

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                                • G ghostedic@sh.itjust.works

                                  Multiple people who were interviewed said he was getting into leftist politics, he called Charlie Kirk a “fascist”. He had a MTF trans girlfriend. These are not typical MAGA traits.
                                  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero

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                                  jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                                  Multiple people know him as from a rightwing family, he was photographed in MAGA gear, and plenty of MAGA are secretly gay.

                                  None of what you’ve said is even minutely comparable to the abundance of evidence that says he’s a rightwing abused child from a MAGA family.

                                  He’s also a registered Republic卐n.

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                                    hazardousbanjo@lemmy.world
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                                    Y’all remember when ISIS attacked that theater in Russia and Russia immediately blamed Ukraine despite ISIS openly admitting to it and begging for recognition?

                                    Yeah, this is more of the same from the party of Putin’s professional cock holsters.

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                                    • T theoriginalgregtoo@lemmy.world

                                      The left loves Antifa because they can use it as cover for illegal behavior. It’s convenient that you continue to claim Antifa doesn’t exist, yet you all coordinate with each other in breaking the law. Hard to coordinate with something that doesn’t exist.

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                                      mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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                                      do you have a single shred of evidence?

                                      where do they go to sign up, antifa.org?

                                      Hard to coordinate with something that doesn’t exist.

                                      indeed; but you’ve figured it all out apparently, so drop the wisdom. how is ‘the left’ coordinating via ‘antifa’ to break the law?

                                      also, what’s wrong with anti fascism? everyone should be anti fascism, unless you’re a goose stepping fascist cocksucker.

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                                      • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                                        Multiple people know him as from a rightwing family, he was photographed in MAGA gear, and plenty of MAGA are secretly gay.

                                        None of what you’ve said is even minutely comparable to the abundance of evidence that says he’s a rightwing abused child from a MAGA family.

                                        He’s also a registered Republic卐n.

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                                        Overkrill
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                                        cis guy dating a trans woman is not “gay”. he may himself identify as queer or bisexual but we don’t have to misgender his girlfriend out of a desire to play up his purported right wingedness.

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                                        • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                                          What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.

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                                          nialv7@lemmy.world
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                                          First of all, you completely missed the main point of my comment. If you think there’s no evidence then you shouldn’t be claiming one way or the other either, yet this post is presenting him as definitively right wing.

                                          Secondly, I didn’t say he is a left winger. I said (based on my judgement) the evidence shows he probably, maybe leans left.

                                          And answering your “what evidence” question, his text message to his roommate is released by the investigation. There are also statement from his mother stating he is “getting more and more left” (obviously, grains of salt). And there are leaked (released?) Discord messages from the killer.

                                          If you never heard any of these, then you probably are in an echo chamber.

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