Based and Red Pilled Gigachad, many such cases 😔

Is there propaganda that is fascist in nature? It’s bad propaganda then. Can you give an example? Propaganda should always be for all good and everyone’s happiness. Specifics don’t matter, you can bring the followers wherever you want later.

The best propaganda takes advantage of flaws already present in a culture, it doesn’t try to create new ones

Im seeing this just after having a while conversation about conservative Christians making a big deal about ‘finding truth in faith’ after the Kirk shooting and this feels similar to me

There’s this clear implication that the ‘truth’ can only be found through your ideological worldview, and a complete abandoning of any attempt at justifying or supporting it through reason. Any piece of information that’s misaligned is dismissed as propaganda - but what’s especially annoying is that it doesn’t even have to be coherently opposed to truth but merely distracting from what’s supposedly more important.

Americans are one of the most propagandized populations on the planet - but I wouldn’t even put Russia in the top 5 sources of it.

And what actions are those? Like partnering with the west to install a far-right regime?

Russia has been capable for a decade now and again, has been propped up by China including the use of NK.

Suicide for the human race? Duh. And that’s climate change. They want to reduce the carrying capacity of the earth because they cannot figure out other ways. Already huge catastrophic floods in China. Farming and food will take a hit soon.

Then don’t use it. Just like we have a post office, and UPS. But you need communications to be centralized somewhat lol, that’s how communcation works. You also wouldn’t say anything on there you wouldn’t say in a Town Hall, it would be your official profile. The power structure also wouldn’t be as centralized as regular social media- that’s why you can sue and demand things, based on constitution and bill of rights and other laws. That means you actually have power over it.

There’s no legal way for us to depose the government or even to suggest to depose the government. I would never organize to depose the government. I would never trust someone on social suggesting such a thing either. I have other plans for addressing this, and they are nunya.

Linking me documentaries instead of primary sources does not respect my time.

I never removed that. Repsect your time? How about respect your blatant ignorance? Complicated topics cannot be summarized in a Tweet or Lemmy post, they take time like books, long form media, or yes, documentaries and news interviews, gasp. Not everything is so simple, sorry kiddo. And the documentary interviews primary sources like Hillary Clinton and John McCain. The documentary IS a primary source. You’d know that if you’d just watch it. It’s free on Youtube and has been linked. How intellectually pathetic of you, as I suspected you’d be.

Yeah, no. American Oligarchs did social media. Youtube, Twitter, facebook, instagram all American. First they did it for money now they are doing it openly for power. Cambridge Analytica, anti-vax, anti-trans, anti-abortion, anti-immigrant all of these are made by Americans to poison the world. And they are going to do much worse with AI. Americans destroyed the world.

Russia has been capable for a decade now and again, has been propped up by China including the use of NK.

Suicide for the human race? Duh. And that’s climate change. They want to reduce the carrying capacity of the earth because they cannot figure out other ways. Already huge catastrophic floods in China. Farming and food will take a hit soon.

Then don’t use it. Just like we have a post office, and UPS. But you need communications to be centralized somewhat lol, that’s how communcation works. You also wouldn’t say anything on there you wouldn’t say in a Town Hall, it would be your official profile. The power structure also wouldn’t be as centralized as regular social media- that’s why you can sue and demand things, based on constitution and bill of rights and other laws. That means you actually have power over it.

There’s no legal way for us to depose the government or even to suggest to depose the government. I would never organize to depose the government. I would never trust someone on social suggesting such a thing either. I have other plans for addressing this, and they are nunya.

Linking me documentaries instead of primary sources does not respect my time.

I never removed that. Repsect your time? How about respect your blatant ignorance? Complicated topics cannot be summarized in a Tweet or Lemmy post, they take time like books, long form media, or yes, documentaries and news interviews, gasp. Not everything is so simple, sorry kiddo. And the documentary interviews primary sources like Hillary Clinton and John McCain. The documentary IS a primary source. You’d know that if you’d just watch it. It’s free on Youtube and has been linked. How intellectually pathetic of you, as I suspected you’d be.

I agree with a lot of that but honestly, what is the Russian capability currently to open up a new front anywhere if we are not talking nuclear war?

Sure they’re prepared to waste a lot. But can they waste that much without getting into so severe issues that even their propaganda won’t push through? Oh right, I forget, propaganda is basically for foreign states and domestically you can just use threats of violence and arrests.

Also “carrying capacity” is a poor way to talk about bad infrastructure.

The world isn’t full. It’s built wrong.

People make fun of the Civilization games, but in them, you can win more than one way. War doesn’t have to be fought with nukes (or even bombs - eg economically, culturally) and largely hasn’t been, especially recently.

Russia is being propped up by China and India et al. Imo when the west is more weakened, China will make their moves for Taiwan and the South China Sea. But maybe not, or maybe in a way we don’t expect (eg diplomatically) because China REALLY wants to be seen as like, the main guys who are super reasonable and modern etc. Recommend the PBS documentary Made in Ethiopia to see a little of China’s foreign policy in action. They want clean hands, I think. But they want those territories too.

Russia uses extensive propaganda domestically.

I say carrying capacity because that’s how they view it in light of climate change and all the other issues we face:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adh2458

We are actually now past 7 of 9 planetary boundaries to support human life. Reducing the carrying capacity (aka total human population) of the earth won’t help, we need everyone to work together to solve these issues. Imo a sun shield in space to deflect some UV would buy us time to sequester carbon and create sustainable living solutions. I think if the rich kill everyone, they will also die. I do not think they have the intellect or wisdom to solve this without the people of the world.

Russia has been capable for a decade now and again, has been propped up by China including the use of NK.

Disagree. I believe Russia will see a coup or revolution before a proper war. They have utterly failed against Ukraine, it’s unbelievable to me how much they have failed. I have been observing the invasion, now and again, since day 1 - and the buildup prior to that.

Suicide for the human race? Duh. And that’s climate change.

See my instance. I’m aware. It is my opinion and belief that the oligarchy here in America wants the whole world to perish while they wait it out in their self-sufficient bunkers.

Then don’t use it. Just like we have a post office, and UPS. But you need communications to be centralized somewhat lol, that’s how communcation works. You also wouldn’t say anything on there you wouldn’t say in a Town Hall, it would be your official profile. The power structure also wouldn’t be as centralized as regular social media- that’s why you can sue and demand things, based on constitution and bill of rights and other laws. That means you actually have ppwer over it.

I argue for decentralized, loosely standardized, democratic, socialist structures. The legal system is absolutely and completely busted. I really shouldn’t need to get into that. Hopefully you can agree that the Supreme Court is beyond saving. Your idea is a fantasy, but it’s a nice one if there was any state that truly represented its populace. I do value it though, and even if I call it a fantasy, I like it in theory.

There’s no legal way for us to depose the government or even to suggest to depose the government. I would never organize to depose the government.

Guess we just let Trump destroy the government and install a complete dictatorship in earnest…

I disagree, we do have power.

Complicated topics cannot be summarized in a Tweet or Lemmy post, they take time like books, long form media, or yes, documentaries and news interviews, gasp.

If people in debates are told to source their claims, there is a preference towards direct evidence, primary sources, and specific excerpts. I prefer direct evidence, specific excerpts, and related argumentation. If a primary source does not provide direct evidence openly, I’m not hunting for it at the drop of a hat or trusting it at face value unless it is convincing. This shouldn’t be difficult.

Regardless, I will expose myself to the documentary and book with an open mind when I have literal -hours- or -days- to digest it all, and you are absolutely free to disagree with my opinions and personal beliefs. I accept being called naive because I care about the human race and I want it broadly return to sanity - the consequences of a world war are absolutely unimaginable. Forecasting war doesn’t help anything, unless you are in the military preparing to respond if it does happen.

I think if the rich kill everyone, they will also die.

They have been preparing for decades, at least. You are free to believe what you want though.

They want the Fallout games to become reality. It’s almost certain. Fuck all of that. Pushing the development of AI unsustainably in a way that other countries can mirror (e.g. China) is suicide for the country, besides them, and solidifies my belief.

A major goal of nearly every Russian war is to kill off their own young men (in this war, esp indigenous people living near Mongolia are being sent to war to die). A lot of wars are like that - two leaders with populations that are getting agitated, send them to fight each other and take all their stuff and their women. Classic attack by the top to the bottom and gaslight them that it was for a good cause the whole time. Maybe Russia could have a coup or revolution, but maybe not. Hasn’t happened to Putin yet but we can dream.

oligarchy here in America wants the whole world to perish while they wait it out in their self-sufficient bunkers.

I think it’s the global wealthy, but same. The Titanic sub was a preview of the wealthy’s hubris when it comes to science.

I think our legal system as its bare bones isn’t bad. The way arguments are presented etc. It was formed via Greek philosophy, at the same time as ideas like democracy lol. They are intrinsically related and good faith arguments and logic are the cornerstone of progress and society and fact. There’s so many amazing, empowering, and incredible things about our legal system. A huge part of the fight for civil rights was literally fought in the courtroom. Please study the civil rights era to understand progressive movements with courts.

But there’s many many things that can be done to reform the issues in it incl the Supreme Court. I figure you would like it, because it is decentralized and one of the only ways an average citizen can get any kind of power in this country over their government. Pretty rad.

Yeah again my plans are not your business and not something I discuss online. Youre giving off Fed energy over there.

I can tell you’ve never been homeless or did anything with the homeless network. Ever hear of Slab City? The government is effective as a slave machine and will grind you up in it no problem. I am an abolitionist first, and imo the most important thing is to stay free as much as possible and to hold onto the power you have as much as possible. Being thoughtful during fascist takeover is wise. Take battles wisely.

The documentary is direct evidence, primary sources, and specific excerpts. Literally there’s even pictures. It’s so solid as evidence and as a case, they didn’t even get sued by Trump over it (avoiding discovery). Length does not determine validity. And it’s so weird of you to push back on it as a source just because you’re too big of a baby to learn what everyone else has been talking about for years - it came out in 2018.

If you want to do this democratically - then go to the protests and town halls and talk to people. Go ahead. I’m not stopping you, there are many movements like that already.

It doesn’t matter how long they’ve prepared. What’s coming will destroy ecologies in huge ways, possibly collapsing all megafauna and even things like insects which have already experienced significant population collapses. People need vitamins and micronutrients to live, requires a varied diet.

We barely grow plants in space. Biosphere thing barely worked and needed outside intervention. We NEED earth. I say this as a person very educated in science- we NEED the planet intact.

The Titanic sub was a preview of the hubris of the wealthy against science. They are genuinely so narcissistic they think they can conquer extreme natural phenomena.

They particularly like AI because they believe it’s the perfect slave (and we are not because we can dissent). So yeah they will kill the world for it. And for oil, and for gold, and for money, and manufacturing, because capitalism requires capital be made and sought even if ot isnt efficient and people die. Capital above all else.

Yea naw, my parents watch WeChat short videos and read their BS articles and they constantly regurgitate anti-Democrat rhetorics, and whenever someone gets shot by police, they fucking cheer, the homeless people, anyone with a “mental illness”, even George Floyd, they think trials are waste of time and resources, they want the system to just skip the trial and want the suspects dead.

Can’t even blame “Americans” for this, the CCP has full control of the content, they clearly aren’t censoring it.

WeChat is literally poisoning the Chinese Overseas Diaspora. Its another tentacle of the CCP’s power. There’s no doubt they also infect social media platforms like facebook, xitter, etc…They sow chaos, and untimately, whatever the CCP does damages the repututation of anyone who is ethnic Chinese or looks ethnic Chinese. They are infaming Sinophobia by being the worse representatives of my people. And all the abuse that I have endured from my parents is from this toxic culture, fuck this “filial piety” BS, fuck conservatism. I’ve been helping out in my parents bussiness, and they still say I’m useless. I really wanna go back in time and shoot confucious for inventing the stupid ass religion, fuck your 孝順, its literally parental indoctrination to control their children. Evil ass shit. Fuck confucious.

Nvm

The current state American society has been in for the last 10 to 15 years is heavily a consequence of Russian info ops. Many countries run info ops. But no country has done as much damage as Russia

I hope you are right.

It’s still here in 2025. America isn’t a bunch of fascist MAGAs, even if we are being taken over by Russian assets and Russian propaganda.

They are not America even if they seized fascist control of America. America is the people here and that includes activists and trans people. That includes you and me.

That we cry out and care is evidence the universe cries out and cares, since we are part of the universe as well. The universe through us cries out.

That we cry out and care is evidence Americans care, because we are both Americans. It is so so so important to not equate America with hate, but instead to equate the MAGA admin with hate.

And regardless, those anti-trans laws are literally Putin/Russian as a policy - remember how Russia got mad at the Olympic boxer and demanded she be tested? Russia literally funded the politicians for those laws, made all the propaganda pieces and ads, etc etc etc. And ofc some traitors and assholes went with it.

Yeah, let’s just ignore the right-wing think tanks, the majority of conservative/MAGA influencers who aren’t on Russia’s payroll, and right-wing “news” organizations. It’s totally just Russia and not right-wingers trying to destroy the country to grab all the power for themselves…