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  • A alcoholicorn@mander.xyz

    That’s a bizarre claim to make when America has been abducting people, torturing them, and vanishing them, without due process for decades, and I am not aware of such a case happening in any of those 3 countries. Except in 2012, when China caught the CIA’s spy network and charged them with espionage.

    As far as the bloody history goes, the blood is only on the hands of the side that invaded and subjugated them. Also the people here in vietnam are way less bitter about the war, despite having a much better understanding of what happened than the average american.

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    finitebanjo
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    #180

    Sounds like whataboutism. I don’t really recommend vising the USA. Maybe you should have higher standards than “very unlikely (citation needed) to be abducted and murdered by authoritarians”.

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    • obi@sopuli.xyzO obi@sopuli.xyz

      I don’t think any of this happened last time the democrats were in charge? Or any other time before that. Seen from Europe, democrats are definitely right of center, just less so than republicans.

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      finitebanjo
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      #181

      The DNC haven’t had more than 48 senate seats in over ten years, and just before that they expanded medicaid to tens of millions of americans.

      Taxing the Rich was the Harris Campaign, with promise of a unrealized capital gains tax for earners over $1M USD, and enshrining Roe V. Wade as well as many other things in the list require defeating fillibuster, but even if the senate had changed the rules to bypass fillibuster: only 48 seats.

      Quality of life has declined in the USA and progress has stagnated. And I know why. Only 48 seats.

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      • F finitebanjo

        Sounds like whataboutism. I don’t really recommend vising the USA. Maybe you should have higher standards than “very unlikely (citation needed) to be abducted and murdered by authoritarians”.

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        alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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        #182

        I just defaulted to USA because it’s where I and (I think) most lemmitors are from.

        In any case, it’s trivial not to get abducted and murdered, simply don’t commit espionage.

        It’s weird that you only single non-western countries out when most countries treat espionage pretty seriously.

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        • F finitebanjo

          The DNC haven’t had more than 48 senate seats in over ten years, and just before that they expanded medicaid to tens of millions of americans.

          Taxing the Rich was the Harris Campaign, with promise of a unrealized capital gains tax for earners over $1M USD, and enshrining Roe V. Wade as well as many other things in the list require defeating fillibuster, but even if the senate had changed the rules to bypass fillibuster: only 48 seats.

          Quality of life has declined in the USA and progress has stagnated. And I know why. Only 48 seats.

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          obi@sopuli.xyz
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          #183

          All I’m saying is everything is further to the right in the US. These things you listed aren’t even partisan issues here, they’re just normal things. But I see you’re just downvoting and arguing so I’ll be on way cheers.

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          • obi@sopuli.xyzO obi@sopuli.xyz

            All I’m saying is everything is further to the right in the US. These things you listed aren’t even partisan issues here, they’re just normal things. But I see you’re just downvoting and arguing so I’ll be on way cheers.

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            finitebanjo
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            #184

            I just don’t see it as anything other than bad optics. The DNC policy is very left, if we gave them 60 senators for the first time since 1979 then the USA could become something envied by Europe.

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            • A alcoholicorn@mander.xyz

              I just defaulted to USA because it’s where I and (I think) most lemmitors are from.

              In any case, it’s trivial not to get abducted and murdered, simply don’t commit espionage.

              It’s weird that you only single non-western countries out when most countries treat espionage pretty seriously.

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              finitebanjo
              wrote last edited by finitebanjo@piefed.world
              #185

              You are not the one who will decide if you are a spy. Do not place your destiny in the hands of proven liars and murderers.

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              • F finitebanjo

                You are not the one who will decide if you are a spy. Do not place your destiny in the hands of proven liars and murderers.

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                alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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                #186

                No justice system lets the accused judge their own guilt, but the US admitted those guys were spies.

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                • halvar@lemy.lolH halvar@lemy.lol

                  I’d say the curve it’s much flatter on the left side. As in right side is shouting tankie, meanwhile there are like 2 tankies and the right wants to set the whole barn on fire to get them both.

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                  finitebanjo
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                  #187

                  Meanwhile thr Tankies are in the Right’s barn the entire time.

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                  • F finitebanjo

                    They run TikTok among many other CCP funded operations, I wouldn’t disregard them personally.

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                    dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                    #188

                    Lol

                    The tankies engaged in hypercapitalism

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                    • F finitebanjo

                      Ah yeah sure, taxing the rich, removing money from politics, making healthcare and bodily autonomy a human right, all such right ideals. /sarcasm

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                      dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                      #189

                      That’s what the democratic socialists and social democrats want, sure.

                      The rest of the Democrats call them radicals and Hakeem Jeffries just told them to leave the party.

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                      • flying_sheep@lemmy.mlF flying_sheep@lemmy.ml

                        The fuck are you babbling

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                        nalivai@lemmy.world
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                        .ml

                        You know exactly what I’m talking about, don’t be all shy about it now

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                        • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

                          That’s what the democratic socialists and social democrats want, sure.

                          The rest of the Democrats call them radicals and Hakeem Jeffries just told them to leave the party.

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                          finitebanjo
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                          #191

                          It’s core DNC policy stance. Even Hillary Clinton campaigned against Citizens United, even Harris proposed unrealized gains taxes over $1M, every DNC supports Medicaid expansion.

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                          • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

                            Lol

                            The tankies engaged in hypercapitalism

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                            finitebanjo
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                            #192

                            Unironically yes, to a Tankie the word Capitalism doesn’t mean Capitalism, it means western nation adversarial to China and their military allies.

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                            • F finitebanjo

                              It’s core DNC policy stance. Even Hillary Clinton campaigned against Citizens United, even Harris proposed unrealized gains taxes over $1M, every DNC supports Medicaid expansion.

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                              dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                              #193

                              We’ll leave aside that those policies don’t line up as well with your initial statement as we’re pretending because that still leaves us at Jeffries telling everyone not a neoliberal to fuck off.

                              Him and the other 94 Democratic reps that voted to honor a Nazi propagandist don’t seem to have received the memo that’s there’s plenty of general policy to align on.

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                              • N nalivai@lemmy.world

                                .ml

                                You know exactly what I’m talking about, don’t be all shy about it now

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                                flying_sheep@lemmy.ml
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                                #194

                                I just joined the devs’ instance for technical support reasons, not ideological ones. I’m certainly not a tankie, gross.

                                So no, I still don’t know what you mean with that “money”.

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                                • flying_sheep@lemmy.mlF flying_sheep@lemmy.ml

                                  I just joined the devs’ instance for technical support reasons, not ideological ones. I’m certainly not a tankie, gross.

                                  So no, I still don’t know what you mean with that “money”.

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                                  nalivai@lemmy.world
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                                  #195

                                  For examle, Russia spends enormous amount of money on foreign propaganda, both internaly and externally. That money.

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                                  • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

                                    We’ll leave aside that those policies don’t line up as well with your initial statement as we’re pretending because that still leaves us at Jeffries telling everyone not a neoliberal to fuck off.

                                    Him and the other 94 Democratic reps that voted to honor a Nazi propagandist don’t seem to have received the memo that’s there’s plenty of general policy to align on.

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                                    finitebanjo
                                    wrote last edited by finitebanjo@piefed.world
                                    #196

                                    Not every DNC is great, but they’re left on the majority of policy, and every GOP is 100% your enemy.

                                    Speaking of policy, thanks for finally citing 1 policy, albeit one which was bipartisan while including a minority of Democrats. Most of the Anti-DNC content I see on here is bot generated and incapable of doing just that.

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