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I Got This Right, Right?

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  • OverkrillI Overkrill

    cis guy dating a trans woman is not “gay”. he may himself identify as queer or bisexual but we don’t have to misgender his girlfriend out of a desire to play up his purported right wingedness.

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    jumbie@lemmy.zip
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    Sorry, my ignorance of LGBTQ does not dilute my point.

    However, in my ignorance, I touched on something you didn’t try to refute and I appreciate it: Republicans are quite often in the closet while publicly raging against the thing they secretly embrace.

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    • N nialv7@lemmy.world

      First of all, you completely missed the main point of my comment. If you think there’s no evidence then you shouldn’t be claiming one way or the other either, yet this post is presenting him as definitively right wing.

      Secondly, I didn’t say he is a left winger. I said (based on my judgement) the evidence shows he probably, maybe leans left.

      And answering your “what evidence” question, his text message to his roommate is released by the investigation. There are also statement from his mother stating he is “getting more and more left” (obviously, grains of salt). And there are leaked (released?) Discord messages from the killer.

      If you never heard any of these, then you probably are in an echo chamber.

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      jumbie@lemmy.zip
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      I didn’t miss it. I ignored it the same way you so vociferously try to pull this rightwinger away from his rightwing history.

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      • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

        I didn’t miss it. I ignored it the same way you so vociferously try to pull this rightwinger away from his rightwing history.

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        nialv7@lemmy.world
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        #110

        Huh? That wasn’t what I was doing at all, you just pulled that accusation out of your ass. You asked me “what evidence”, so I answered, I guess that was the wrong thing to do.

        So you actively ignore evidence that might be inconvenient to your opinions?

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        • T theoriginalgregtoo@lemmy.world

          I mean his DNA was found on the gun, there’s a slew of text messages, handwritten notes, and video evidence showing that it was him, but I suppose a Republican could have broken into his house, stolen his DNA, planted incriminating messages, and borrowed his clothing. At this point we really just don’t know, anything is possible.

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          n0respect@lemmy.world
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          To nitpick, the handwritten note under the keyboard got destroyed. So there isn’t any any more.

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          • L loafedburrito@lemmy.world

            Nope, if you talk to anyone on the right currently, everything the administration is doing right now is fine and they have broken no laws.

            “Oh the democrats have done much worse.” When i ask them what things democrats have done that are close to what republicans do, they always bring up forcing kids to become trans or giving them hormones in school.

            People really are that out of touch with reality.

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            n0respect@lemmy.world
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            #112

            I have had the same experience and its frustrating. I mentioned Trumps claim that all his actions are legal, and his reply was “well it was ok when Biden said it”, like a knee-jerk reaction.

            I had to JackieChan_WHAT.jpg while driving.

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            • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

              Multiple people know him as from a rightwing family, he was photographed in MAGA gear, and plenty of MAGA are secretly gay.

              None of what you’ve said is even minutely comparable to the abundance of evidence that says he’s a rightwing abused child from a MAGA family.

              He’s also a registered Republic卐n.

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              yistdaj@pawb.social
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              #113

              Different person with same name

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              • Y yistdaj@pawb.social

                Different person with same name

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                jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                #114

                The article has screenshots.

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                • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                  I didn’t miss it. I ignored it the same way you so vociferously try to pull this rightwinger away from his rightwing history.

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                  leonixster@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  #115

                  Oh, so a bad faith argument

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                  • leonixster@lemmy.blahaj.zoneL leonixster@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                    Oh, so a bad faith argument

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                    jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                    #116

                    No. I chose to ignore apologist language. Seems quite unpopular with those using words to annoy instead of communicate.

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                    • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                      The article has screenshots.

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                      yistdaj@pawb.social
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                      Yes, and the voter registration is for a Tyler Robinson, not a Tyler James Robinson.

                      The Snopes fact check has a screenshot of the registration of Tyler James Robinson.

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                      • Y yistdaj@pawb.social

                        Yes, and the voter registration is for a Tyler Robinson, not a Tyler James Robinson.

                        The Snopes fact check has a screenshot of the registration of Tyler James Robinson.

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                        jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                        #118

                        Fair enough.

                        Does that make the shooter a leftist?

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                        • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                          No. I chose to ignore apologist language. Seems quite unpopular with those using words to annoy instead of communicate.

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                          leonixster@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                          #119

                          Which is, indeed, a bad faith argument.

                          Also, answering their comments is not ignoring.

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                          • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                            Fair enough.

                            Does that make the shooter a leftist?

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                            yistdaj@pawb.social
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                            Not on its own, but he’s not exactly a registered Republican either. Just wanted to correct that one thing.

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                            • J jsomae@lemmy.ml

                              yeah, I agree. But like, pointing fingers at “politicians” broadly speaking is still just pointing fingers.

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                              chrischryse@lemmy.world
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                              Yeahhhhh explaining stuff isn’t my specialty I always end up explaining things wrong lol it’s a bad habit

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                              • Y yistdaj@pawb.social

                                Not on its own, but he’s not exactly a registered Republican either. Just wanted to correct that one thing.

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                                jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                                Are his parents leftist?

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                                • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                                  Are his parents leftist?

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                                  yistdaj@pawb.social
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                                  No, but I also hear that there are a lot of leftists with right wing parents, especially in Utah. Maybe that was why he moved out, I don’t know.

                                  Maybe he was more right wing instead. I don’t know. I’m not the person who was saying he was leftist. I was just pointing out that he wasn’t a registered Republican.

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                                  • Y yistdaj@pawb.social

                                    No, but I also hear that there are a lot of leftists with right wing parents, especially in Utah. Maybe that was why he moved out, I don’t know.

                                    Maybe he was more right wing instead. I don’t know. I’m not the person who was saying he was leftist. I was just pointing out that he wasn’t a registered Republican.

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                                    jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                                    Was his upbringing a leftist one?

                                    Were his friends? Neighbors? Church? Schoolmates? Bible class? Pastor?

                                    The point, which apologists are eagerly falling over themselves to avoid, is that he was in a right wing world and had all of that in his corner. They’d like to focus instead on the chance that he may have rebelled against MAGA.

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                                    • M manmoth@lemmy.ml

                                      So how do you know he’s right wing?

                                      Edit: Also how do address the hate comment? And justify him killing Kirk for not being far-right enough?

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                                      deaf_fish
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                                      I don’t. I don’t really think the information points to a specific ideology at this point in time. I’d give the odds of them being conservative about 65%. He was born and raised in a Christian conservative family. In a religious conservative state. Gay hate can only really exist in an environment without gay people, same thing for people who hate trans people.

                                      Which hate comment are you talking about? I am not familiar, so this might change my opinion.

                                      As for not being far right enough, that’s easy. The online and professional media have been playing the game of who can be more extreme for a while now. I believe there’s a lot of conservatives out there who would be willing to kill someone on their same side for not being extreme enough. They would consider them traders, grifters, or not real conservatives.

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                                      • G ghostedic@sh.itjust.works

                                        Deranged take, touch grass

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                                        deaf_fish
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                                        Right back at you. Finger guns

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                                        • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                                          Was his upbringing a leftist one?

                                          Were his friends? Neighbors? Church? Schoolmates? Bible class? Pastor?

                                          The point, which apologists are eagerly falling over themselves to avoid, is that he was in a right wing world and had all of that in his corner. They’d like to focus instead on the chance that he may have rebelled against MAGA.

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                                          yistdaj@pawb.social
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                                          Everybody described him as being withdrawn, it seems like nobody but his roommates knew anything about him, but those roommates haven’t talked as much. It’s like none of the people that were physically around him were part of his world, and they describe him as being online a lot.

                                          I think he was more shaped by the internet than the people physically around him. Especially since he was described as being apolitical until after he left his parents’ home.

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