"it fits a tech industry playbook to grow a business first and later pay a relatively small fine...for breaking the rules...
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"it fits a tech industry playbook to grow a business first and later pay a relatively small fine...for breaking the rules... Anthropic (is valued) at $183 billion."
It's what I suspected: Anthropic did the maths on how many authors have registered copyright (only 500k out of the 7M titles stolen, $3k not $150k). Better than $750 per title(statue min)but...
It's a fine for "rule breaking" not "you stole books, erase your model and start over with non-stolen goods"
https://www.newsday.com/business/anthropic-copyright-authors-settlement-training-y85533
Not entirely clear, but it also appears to be a set fine? So authors in the pool get to fight over the total? Rather than "you will pay each author X amount" — it says $3000 but that assumes 500k authors file claims. Could be less. Anthropic doesn't care, they'll pay their fine and be free to steal.
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Not entirely clear, but it also appears to be a set fine? So authors in the pool get to fight over the total? Rather than "you will pay each author X amount" — it says $3000 but that assumes 500k authors file claims. Could be less. Anthropic doesn't care, they'll pay their fine and be free to steal.
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@susankayequinn Yeah fuck that shit. Everyone should opt out of the class.
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@susankayequinn Yeah fuck that shit. Everyone should opt out of the class.
@dalias I honestly don't think opting out of the class helps anything... this case is settled, I'd rather see them pay as much of that settlement money as possible.
There's always other class actions that can be filed. There are *so many* companies that have stolen these books. So the question will be... what will happen with those? IDK but opting out of the class would change nothing. Might as well get authors some money.
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@dalias I honestly don't think opting out of the class helps anything... this case is settled, I'd rather see them pay as much of that settlement money as possible.
There's always other class actions that can be filed. There are *so many* companies that have stolen these books. So the question will be... what will happen with those? IDK but opting out of the class would change nothing. Might as well get authors some money.
@susankayequinn If you don't accept being in the class you still have grounds (whether you use it or not) to make a case against them yourself, and even if not, you don't grant that their wrongdoing against you has been compensated and is a closed deal.
If the amount were going to be substantial, I guess it's a matter of how much of a difference it makes to an individual author's life and whether that's worth it. But as expected it's really low.
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@susankayequinn If you don't accept being in the class you still have grounds (whether you use it or not) to make a case against them yourself, and even if not, you don't grant that their wrongdoing against you has been compensated and is a closed deal.
If the amount were going to be substantial, I guess it's a matter of how much of a difference it makes to an individual author's life and whether that's worth it. But as expected it's really low.
well I have 91 works in the pirated dataset and I'm still probably not going to sue
And even if accept being in the class, it only applies to *THIS COMPANY*
if I decide I actually want to sue any of the other 5000 companies that used LibGen, I can do that
And the judge already poisoned this particular suit by ruling it's "fair use"
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well I have 91 works in the pirated dataset and I'm still probably not going to sue
And even if accept being in the class, it only applies to *THIS COMPANY*
if I decide I actually want to sue any of the other 5000 companies that used LibGen, I can do that
And the judge already poisoned this particular suit by ruling it's "fair use"
@susankayequinn My understanding (not a lawyer) is that the *particular suit* being ruined by the "fair use" thing is reason to opt out of the class and have another chance at it. With a lawyer who's actually been told to prioritize making the case that it's not fair use, and given leads to expert witnesses (e.g. mathematicians who actually understand what the model is) qualified to convince a court of that.
Is it possible to be in the class collecting damages from the piracy that took place downloading corpus from libgen, without that putting you in a class where it's been ruled that the incorporation of all your books into their model was non-infringing? These seem like two separate allegations of infringement.
I'm not a lawyer and I don't know. I hope someone who is a lawyer can help advise on this, tho.
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@susankayequinn My understanding (not a lawyer) is that the *particular suit* being ruined by the "fair use" thing is reason to opt out of the class and have another chance at it. With a lawyer who's actually been told to prioritize making the case that it's not fair use, and given leads to expert witnesses (e.g. mathematicians who actually understand what the model is) qualified to convince a court of that.
Is it possible to be in the class collecting damages from the piracy that took place downloading corpus from libgen, without that putting you in a class where it's been ruled that the incorporation of all your books into their model was non-infringing? These seem like two separate allegations of infringement.
I'm not a lawyer and I don't know. I hope someone who is a lawyer can help advise on this, tho.
@dalias it's a fair question and I don't actually know the answer.
I would say I'll have a better idea when I can see the form I have to actually sign when I join the class action (I have 91 titles in the pirated database).
I need to look at the other suits that are already ongoing too — and I have smart friends I expect will be weighing in on this
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@dalias it's a fair question and I don't actually know the answer.
I would say I'll have a better idea when I can see the form I have to actually sign when I join the class action (I have 91 titles in the pirated database).
I need to look at the other suits that are already ongoing too — and I have smart friends I expect will be weighing in on this
this seems to separate the two
"Judge Alsup certified the class only for piracy, not the act of AI training, and as such the fair use ruling on training applies only with respect to the three named plaintiffs, not the certified class authors and publishers. "
https://authorsguild.org/news/what-authors-need-to-know-about-the-anthropic-settlement/
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