Is #mastodon becoming an echo chamber?
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@dzwiedziu No worries man.
I’m not familiar with “appeal to literary”. I’m always on the lookout for new fallacies.
Or did you mean that you didn’t like people implying you couldn’t read for yourself (which is of course understandable).
@marshray
ThanksIt is something I've coined based on my experience on SM. The term just lately materialised, so treat it as an prototype at best.
Usually it's an argument that one can't read/understand or did not read/understood a text correctly.
First case is just a “ad hominem” in too many words.
Both can be rejecting a different interpretation of a text than the original author intended, instead of interrogating (probably a named fallacy also, but I can't recall which). -
@gavin57 and I'm still salty about Framework. I was 100% going to get one of their computers in the next couple of years and now I am 100% not going to, and there's no good substitute, and why can't we have nice things??
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It's an open hardware company. They have some @NGIZero funding for their next project. The mnt reform next.
MNT Research GmbH
MNT Research makes open source hardware laptops, mobile devices and keyboards that are modular and repairable. Designed and assembled in Berlin, EU.
(mntre.com)
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It's an open hardware company. They have some @NGIZero funding for their next project. The mnt reform next.
MNT Research GmbH
MNT Research makes open source hardware laptops, mobile devices and keyboards that are modular and repairable. Designed and assembled in Berlin, EU.
(mntre.com)
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@Gargron That is a personal choice and one which I totally respect. But I do think Mastodon should be big enough, and open enough, to allow an "AI community" to form, even thrive.
Too many people in my replies don't seem to agree with that.
@scottjenson if AI propagandists want fedi they can fork and make their own bubble like the nazis have currently.
I don't think it makes sense to welcome people who are anti human to one of the last mostly human places on the internet. I don't think it's fair to compare anti human propagandists to marginalized PoC either.
If for some reason you think the AI propagandists aren't anti human, it will need to be explained why the goal seems to be mass human replacement for the benefit of capital owners.
I don't believe what is being attempted on that front is possible, but welcoming deranged fools seems like a bad idea. -
@patrick_h_lauke The metrics are clear, people are leaving mastodon, our daily actives are going down. I agree that pursing follower count is not what Mastodon should be about, we likely agree on many points here. I'm just trying to say 'being more welcoming of other points of view' shouldn't be controvertial. Yet so many replies have been "we don't want them here!" which feels very head-in-the-sand to me.
'being more welcoming of other points of view' means that I might listen to what you have to say. it doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to tell you your posts suck and belong somewhere else if they come down my timeline
CC: @patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.social
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@toddsundsted @dgodon Too many people thought I was *defending* the entire AI industry and worse, comparing it directly to Black Twitter. Hey it's social media, posts are short, it's easy to connect the dots the wrong way.
My poor writing skills aside, my point was what I think you both are saying: it's a slippery slope. It's no secret that black twitter was not made welcome here (it's a very complex topic but there is some truth to it).
My point wasn't that techbros needed support or coddling but the idea that we "allow" people to be here based on some type of ideological purity test is guaranteed to bite us in the ass. Too many people here get holier than thou and feel morally obligated to harass people. It's short sighted.
I still have the impression that you are missing the point.
All the fediverse servers are based on open technology. Somebody does not find the right instance? Go and set up your own.
This person wants to boost their relevance? Create content that is boosted by the followers.
By looking into my timeline, I do not have the impression that AI is not welcome here.
But yes, there's no possibility to force people to follow hashtags they're not interested in. -
RE: https://social.growyourown.services/@FediFollows/116274521264107379
Besides, there's no attitude against journalists here. There may be against PR shills, but some of my earliest follows from October 2022 are active and doing well. Fedi isn't their exclusive channel, but for many it is the insurance strategy. Hat tip to @molly0xfff on documenting that path and @mike and all of @Flipboard on holding the flag high. The journalists are too many to list here but @FediFollows has a "starter pack" for any niche.
@jdp23 @scottjenson @unchartedworlds"there's no attitude against journalists here"
My gut reaction here is: But what about journalists (and others) telling us that they don't feel welcome?
I guess I'd maybe have to see specific cases that you have in mind when you talk about "shilling".
I do know about a few prominent journalist-type accounts that have left due to mansplaining and similar kind of harassment. (And let's also remember the racism and gaslighting towards Black people, but that's a whole another topic.)
I know I am relying on anecdotes, but my impression is that anyone who is seen as "too mainstream" and/or relies on social media for income is very much not welcome here.
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WTF is a "deep ancestral memory"?
Are you talking about DNA, or some kind of woo?@screwturn @scottjenson @AccordingtoWouter I'm talking about you, not to you
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@screwturn @scottjenson @AccordingtoWouter I'm talking about you, not to you
You were doing neither of those things, but, hey, sterling attempt at wit
Again, wtaf do you mean by "Deep Ancestral Memory"?
It sounds a lot like bullshit, but maybe you have a clever explanation that makes sense -
"there's no attitude against journalists here"
My gut reaction here is: But what about journalists (and others) telling us that they don't feel welcome?
I guess I'd maybe have to see specific cases that you have in mind when you talk about "shilling".
I do know about a few prominent journalist-type accounts that have left due to mansplaining and similar kind of harassment. (And let's also remember the racism and gaslighting towards Black people, but that's a whole another topic.)
I know I am relying on anecdotes, but my impression is that anyone who is seen as "too mainstream" and/or relies on social media for income is very much not welcome here.
1) anyone can feel not welcome, whether there's a widely adopted attitude or not
2) fedi HOA can be quite unwelcoming to anyone (as black people can attest), so journalists are not special
3) that's powered by very specific *Mastodon* features, such as lack of reply policies and followers-only repliesThe claim was specific to culture and journalists.
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1) anyone can feel not welcome, whether there's a widely adopted attitude or not
2) fedi HOA can be quite unwelcoming to anyone (as black people can attest), so journalists are not special
3) that's powered by very specific *Mastodon* features, such as lack of reply policies and followers-only repliesThe claim was specific to culture and journalists.
@stefan @scottjensonHostile brigading is not unknown on other networks either. What's special here is that the technical controls around moderation make it difficult to handle, not that the culture here is particularly driven to it. And a lot of that I will attribute very specifically to Mastodon, which as a project has been very resistant to accepting critique around key safety design decisions.
@stefan @scottjenson
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