Is #mastodon becoming an echo chamber?
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As this conversation is spiraling a bit I want to make a few things clear:
1. I'd like Mastodon to be MORE inclusive and bring in more voices
2. Some people don't seem to want that
3. This is core problem to solve: How do we let more in, but not "pollute" your feed?
4. The solution is NOT "gatekeeping", revelling in the fact that AI journalists aren't welcome
5. This is the same reason we lost "Black Twitter" when it came over in 2022Yes, a lot of you don't want AI posts in your feed (or pick any other topic) but the solution isn't to keep "AI People" from joining Mastodon, any more than it is keeping marginalized communities off of Mastodon.
@scottjenson "Ai journalists" are not a "marginalized group", and trying to use that term to describe people who take chatbots too seriously is, IMO, fucking offensive to members of actual marginalised groups.
I don't know if you're conscious of how you're using a tired right-wing tactic often used to invade and divide leftist spaces; co-opting their language, mis-applying it to their own gain, and then declaring any pushback is actually not leftist, in the hope of leading to in-fighting among people with different levels of familiarity about the nuances of that language.
Here, you're taking "inclusivity" (which is about making sure people who are traditionally left out for factors like race, gender, sexual orientation, disability, appearance, age...), mis-applying it to tech bro's opinions LLMs (opinions aren't people, my dude), and declaring that if we aren't willing to listen to pro-LLM people waffle on, they "aren't inclusive". And that's bullshit.
Mate, let me be clear; when I say I do not want to hear your excuses for how chatbots are definitely very good, that OK they're actually bad but they're going to be good very soon, honest, that every kid who killed themselves because ChatGPT agreed with them that's it's for the best is just misuse on their part and doesn't mean there's a problem, that it was OK to suck up an entire generation's collective conversations and artworks and songs and videos because they put them up somewhere publically before LLM training was even a thing, that all the energy and water and time and effort and lives spent on this is definitely going to be worth it any day now... I do that in a completely inclusive way. *Everyone* earnestly foisting this tech despite being in a position to know all the harm it's causing can get fucked, every one of them.
I have space for people who are (somehow) using it in 2026 without realising the issues, or who are at workplaces that are forcing it on them and aren't in a position to push back. But so called "AI Journalists"? Get in the bin.
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> See? Anybody can pull that out.
Out of where?-)
I am curious how you came to your opinion. Your opinion is open to being challenged, and AFAICT you opinion about how @scottjenson was glossing over ethica4issues with AI.
This I think is the point, and what Scott and I are pushing back against (me anyway, Scott speaks for himself). In 400 characters a lot of nuance is omitted and it is (IMO) unhelpful to draw conclusions about peoples motivations if not clearly stated
@worik @unlofl @scottjenson shame that the 500 character limit is considered a core Mastodon feature, try using a different instance
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As this conversation is spiraling a bit I want to make a few things clear:
1. I'd like Mastodon to be MORE inclusive and bring in more voices
2. Some people don't seem to want that
3. This is core problem to solve: How do we let more in, but not "pollute" your feed?
4. The solution is NOT "gatekeeping", revelling in the fact that AI journalists aren't welcome
5. This is the same reason we lost "Black Twitter" when it came over in 2022Yes, a lot of you don't want AI posts in your feed (or pick any other topic) but the solution isn't to keep "AI People" from joining Mastodon, any more than it is keeping marginalized communities off of Mastodon.
I want my normie friends and family to join the fediverse, because their socmed of choice is facebook and I haven't touched that in over two years.
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