Based and Red Pilled Gigachad, many such cases š
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To be fair, everyoneās views are shaped by propaganda of some kind, itās quite literally unavoidable if you exist within any society. Lots of people like to think that their ideas are just the product of their own independent thinking, but that isnāt really how people work.
I am not going to believe your propaganda! My pristine, untainted thoughts wonāt take this slander. /s
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You understand the difference between a medium and the content on that medium right?
Thatās a rhetorical question since you clearly donāt.
Corporate control over an algorithm that decides who is served what content is a platform-agnostic tool of power over society. Weāre seeing that danger manifest in old and new ways every single day. That lever of power allows whomever owns that particular medium to push whatever content they like. That is the entire motivation behind and purpose of the Fediverse and other decentralization efforts.
Zuck and muskrat separate populations, push propaganda and influence discussions at an unprecedented level. The control a single corporation, a single authoritarian point of power has over such vast swathes of population dwarfs the propagandic power of Goebbles and Stalin by an order of magnitude or more.
I donāt blame America explicitly like the other commenter. The conditions that have allowed the billionaire class to explode and wield power and influence exist elsewhere in the world as well. That said, Americaās legal and regulatory frameworks did provide particularly fertile breeding grounds for the exploitation and hoarding of capital that produces billionaires.
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Youāve fallen for propaganda that convinces you that there is an external enemy to worry about instead of actually looking at the situation critically. Right-wing organizations drive right-wing talking points.
Theyāve sown distrust of traditional media and of democratic institutions
Pretty sure they did that to themselves. I didnāt need Russia feeding me propaganda to see through the bullshit, and many others reached that conclusion on their own. The Fairness Doctrine being repealed is one big reason why traditional media failed. Russia didnāt do that.
theyāve polarised discourse to that communities that mostly rubbed alongside one another reasonably well now are so idealogically opposed to each other that the middle ground has evaporated.
Right-wingers and liberals alike have polarized discourse. Leftists arenāt innocent either, especially MLs (many of whom seem to be biased towards Russia), but there are plenty of leftists I have interacted with or witnessed that are exceedingly fair, empathetic, and human.
Liberals blame anybody to the left of them for not falling in line, constantly mock or berate them for demanding better, and do absolutely nothing meaningful to improve their preferred party or seriously advocate for greatly improving the human condition in America. As for the right, we all know what they do.
middle ground has evaporated.
Politics and governance shouldnāt be a game of tug of war where the Republicans have a monster truck pulling their side and Democrats are pretending to hold the rope on their side. It shouldnāt be a tug of war game at all - that is what breeds polarization. It shouldnāt surprise anyone that a two-party system and biased, partisan ānewsā (that is literally entertainment) results in polarization.
This is all kinda my point. Itās not like Putin is just broadcasting stuff at the West. Wherever thereās discussions happening online, Russia helps amplify divisive messages and the algorithms do the rest.
Sure the talking points come from bad actors in the West but Russia are and have been quietly manipulating all the conversation around all of it. And yes they do it to conversations on the left and the right.
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Iām not entirely sure why all of this is being blamed on Russian propaganda. To me, that seems like a lame excuse for the US getting itself into this mess.
In any case, there will certainly be no mysterious agents coming to rescue you from your self-imposed fascism. Youāll have to do that yourselves, so I would strongly recommend that you stop assigning blame and finally do somethingāotherwise, you wonāt be able to post on Lemmy anymore because youāll be brought into line by the stateāthen you could complain about Russian conditions, if that were still possible.
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This is all kinda my point. Itās not like Putin is just broadcasting stuff at the West. Wherever thereās discussions happening online, Russia helps amplify divisive messages and the algorithms do the rest.
Sure the talking points come from bad actors in the West but Russia are and have been quietly manipulating all the conversation around all of it. And yes they do it to conversations on the left and the right.
This is all kinda my point
Saying I am propagandized with zero evidence or good faith argumentation does not prove your point - the ball is in your court to prove that I am propagandized.
Wherever thereās discussions happening online, Russia helps amplify divisive messages and the algorithms do the rest.
Social media is largely US-owned and controlled. The algorithms could literally not exist, instead there be chronological or random ordering of posts and comments + auditable, fair moderation. Forums had their issues, but they were more fair platforms for discourse. Voting systems could literally not count for anything significant and not weight posts and comments over others.
Social media of the type that you are mainly referring to (where discussions happen in earnest) are a niche. Russia is not largely pushing right-wing talking points and polarization in a general sense - advertisers, right-wing organizations, liberal organizations, and social media companies are. And it isnāt a secret or a conspiracy - social media companies create and control their platforms (including their algorithms) and partisan politics and media are constantly fanning the flame.
From Wikipedia on the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine:
The demise of this FCC rule has been cited as a contributing factor in the rising level of party polarization in the United States.^[5]^^[6]^
Party or political polarization in the US is not primarily driven by Russia. Itās our system and we can take responsibility for it instead of blaming Russia for everything.
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Iām not entirely sure why all of this is being blamed on Russian propaganda. To me, that seems like a lame excuse for the US getting itself into this mess.
In any case, there will certainly be no mysterious agents coming to rescue you from your self-imposed fascism. Youāll have to do that yourselves, so I would strongly recommend that you stop assigning blame and finally do somethingāotherwise, you wonāt be able to post on Lemmy anymore because youāll be brought into line by the stateāthen you could complain about Russian conditions, if that were still possible.
The best propaganda takes advantage of flaws already present in a culture, it doesnāt try to create new ones
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Iām not entirely sure why all of this is being blamed on Russian propaganda. To me, that seems like a lame excuse for the US getting itself into this mess.
In any case, there will certainly be no mysterious agents coming to rescue you from your self-imposed fascism. Youāll have to do that yourselves, so I would strongly recommend that you stop assigning blame and finally do somethingāotherwise, you wonāt be able to post on Lemmy anymore because youāll be brought into line by the stateāthen you could complain about Russian conditions, if that were still possible.
You donāt know why because you are PROFOUNDLY uneducated about it or youāre a Russian bot yourself (ps most bots are human slaves, not robots).
Hereās a documentary from 2018 with McCain and Clinton:
Youtube VideoThereās also the book American Kompromat by Unger that goes into SUBSTANTIAL detail for DECADES and shows how Russia has been accruing blackmail globally.
And then multiple protests globally (Romania, Georgia, Slovakia, Serbia) regarding online Russian interference plus many many memos including from our own government.
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2766
Russia has engaged in MASSIVE MASSIVE online warfare, including on Lemmy (eg, you, maybe). Itās more effective than bullets and biowarfare in some ways. Idk how you canāt see how big of a deal it is.
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The current state American society has been in for the last 10 to 15 years is heavily a consequence of Russian info ops. Many countries run info ops. But no country has done as much damage as Russia
We need a national online forum
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TBH, Rupert Murdock HELPED Putin refine/put RT on steroids. He was marketing his propaganda (division) here in the USA since Reagan let him through the door. Russian extras are just a bump up in the last 10-15 years.
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To be fair, everyoneās views are shaped by propaganda of some kind, itās quite literally unavoidable if you exist within any society. Lots of people like to think that their ideas are just the product of their own independent thinking, but that isnāt really how people work.
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Yeah, no. American Oligarchs did social media. Youtube, Twitter, facebook, instagram all American. First they did it for money now they are doing it openly for power. Cambridge Analytica, anti-vax, anti-trans, anti-abortion, anti-immigrant all of these are made by Americans to poison the world. And they are going to do much worse with AI. Americans destroyed the world.
Cambridge Analytica,
Thatās British
anti-vax,
Andrew Wakefield, the guy who started the antivax movement, is British
anti-trans,
The US passed laws protecting trans people and many Americans are literally trans or allies. Russia however, is extremely anti-trans.
anti-abortion,
See the above point
anti-immigrant
See the above point, also, America is a country of immigrants and refugees, āMelting Pot,ā America was one of the first countries to encourage and mobilize massive movements of immigrants, which sheltered them from oppressive governments looking to hurt them. This includes people fleeing from Russia and their wars and genocides like the Holodomor.
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The key is to be constantly aware of it. Never follow someone blindly.
Thatās true, but you still follow some propaganda. You are aware of it, great, but whatās the difference between someone following the propaganda being aware of it and someone following it blindly?
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Yeah, letās just ignore the right-wing think tanks, the majority of conservative/MAGA influencers who arenāt on Russiaās payroll, and right-wing ānewsā organizations. Itās totally just Russia and not right-wingers trying to destroy the country to grab all the power for themselvesā¦
The majority ARE on Russiaās payroll, itās literally how they got famous. They were blackmailable, due to crimes including visiting illegal porn sites and snuff sites, which has content literally made by Putin of his prisoners and people he dislikes to warn others to stay in line and to get blackmail.
So Russia picks someone they can blackmail FIRST, and THEN has them make content that they advertise and have bot armies (slaves, human slaves) talk about in comments etc. They do this EXACT strategy wirh crypto tickers and with fundraisers like for Gaza. If the bots (HUMAN SLAVES) do not perform well, they get tortured, starved, etc. It is literally thousands of people in these networks, and they are working in concert with BRICS, not just Russia.
Rightwingers are just the excuse BRICS needs to "liberate " the US from Nazis. They need a Nazi takeover, but an incompetent one, so they can attack us and look like the good guys and still win. Our economy is collapsing, healthcare and food and farming (which farming is the foundation of the stock market fyi) all collapsing. Education collapsing. Itās bad already from their attacks, idk how it isnāt obvious.
Maybe you didnāt pay attention to when it happened to other countries, thats why Romanians, Serbians, Georgians, Slovakians all saw it and protested. Itās also why Russia explicitly labeled Ukraine as being taken over by Nazis and insists Ukraine is a proxy war started by the US and EU. Itās why they fund Nazis (AFD) in Germany. Itās why Elon supports the AFD. Elon also betrayed the US by illegally giving Putin Starlink satellites in 2022, which were paid for and funded by the US. Thatās a huge part of why he was so freaked out Trump would lose - he should be sitting in the ICC right now for being a traitor and giving Putin those satellites.
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Uh huh. The olā āanyone who criticizes NATO proxy wars is a Russian stooge.ā
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Yes, but most propaganda is not specifically fascist in nature.
Is there propaganda that is fascist in nature? Itās bad propaganda then. Can you give an example? Propaganda should always be for all good and everyoneās happiness. Specifics donāt matter, you can bring the followers wherever you want later.
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The majority ARE on Russiaās payroll, itās literally how they got famous. They were blackmailable, due to crimes including visiting illegal porn sites and snuff sites, which has content literally made by Putin of his prisoners and people he dislikes to warn others to stay in line and to get blackmail.
So Russia picks someone they can blackmail FIRST, and THEN has them make content that they advertise and have bot armies (slaves, human slaves) talk about in comments etc. They do this EXACT strategy wirh crypto tickers and with fundraisers like for Gaza. If the bots (HUMAN SLAVES) do not perform well, they get tortured, starved, etc. It is literally thousands of people in these networks, and they are working in concert with BRICS, not just Russia.
Rightwingers are just the excuse BRICS needs to "liberate " the US from Nazis. They need a Nazi takeover, but an incompetent one, so they can attack us and look like the good guys and still win. Our economy is collapsing, healthcare and food and farming (which farming is the foundation of the stock market fyi) all collapsing. Education collapsing. Itās bad already from their attacks, idk how it isnāt obvious.
Maybe you didnāt pay attention to when it happened to other countries, thats why Romanians, Serbians, Georgians, Slovakians all saw it and protested. Itās also why Russia explicitly labeled Ukraine as being taken over by Nazis and insists Ukraine is a proxy war started by the US and EU. Itās why they fund Nazis (AFD) in Germany. Itās why Elon supports the AFD. Elon also betrayed the US by illegally giving Putin Starlink satellites in 2022, which were paid for and funded by the US. Thatās a huge part of why he was so freaked out Trump would lose - he should be sitting in the ICC right now for being a traitor and giving Putin those satellites.
You can source your claims. Iāll wait. There is too much here that is hyperbole or speculation and not based in reality, even if there are points sprinkled in that I agree with largely or in part. If a majority of right-wing influencers are literally and currently traitors, that is a serious accusation and requires serious proof. Letās do something about it if you have evidence to support your assertions.
And social media companies are the ones promoting these influencers and their channels and putting people in bubbles with their algorithms. Not properly moderating comment sections is also a choice of social media companies. Advertisers also have no problem funding these right-wing influencers either.
Citizens are responsible for keeping their countries healthy, their media fair, and their governments and elected officials representing their interests.
As for BRICS āliberating usā from Nazis - no, we got this. Farming was already unsustainable for reasons unrelated to Trump.
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Thatās true, but you still follow some propaganda. You are aware of it, great, but whatās the difference between someone following the propaganda being aware of it and someone following it blindly?
Intent, mindfulness, and informed decision making?
I mean, knowing that something is technically propaganda does not make it wrong or make it taboo to repeat. The word has a negative connotation because itās typically used to describe the āotherā guys, sure, but its meaning is very broad.
If I were to say the phrase āfuck Nestleā or even just the term āDeGoogleā one could correctly label those as anti-corporate propaganda with an agenda to harm the interests of an untold number of shareholders. Heck, thanks to broadly diversified 401k investment fund options, I am probably one of them and future me could lose entire dollars.
Is anybody on Lemmy going to shake their finger at me for repeating those two pieces of targeted, agenda-driven propaganda though? I certainly donāt feel icky for saying it. I bet I could even say something negative about the president of the united states without feeling embarrassed. :]
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Uh huh. The olā āanyone who criticizes NATO proxy wars is a Russian stooge.ā
As opposed to the old āonly the Great Powers have agencyā gambit, which is actual Russian propaganda. Heaven forbid countries other than the US, Russian and China be even conceived of being able to take actions on their own.
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You can source your claims. Iāll wait. There is too much here that is hyperbole or speculation and not based in reality, even if there are points sprinkled in that I agree with largely or in part. If a majority of right-wing influencers are literally and currently traitors, that is a serious accusation and requires serious proof. Letās do something about it if you have evidence to support your assertions.
And social media companies are the ones promoting these influencers and their channels and putting people in bubbles with their algorithms. Not properly moderating comment sections is also a choice of social media companies. Advertisers also have no problem funding these right-wing influencers either.
Citizens are responsible for keeping their countries healthy, their media fair, and their governments and elected officials representing their interests.
As for BRICS āliberating usā from Nazis - no, we got this. Farming was already unsustainable for reasons unrelated to Trump.
Please see American Kompromat by Unger and Active Measures documentary linked elsewhere itt.
Regarding illicit content/ snuff, hereās a much smaller example with monkey torture rings:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-65951188Torture by Putinās admin in prisons:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62465043https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-prison-torture-rape-videos/31493651.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58978613
Cyberwarfare by Russia, including propaganda:
https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/exploring-cyber-darkness-how-moscow-undermines-the-west-via-the-dark-web/Bots are actually large human slave networks:
https://www.npr.org/2025/05/23/1253043749/pig-butchering-scam-crypto-tetherUS election interference (thereās actually a lot of these links but Iāll post most recent I know of):
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2766Hereās one more:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/01/us-election-software-national-security-threats-00176615Romania election interference:
https://thesoufancenter.org/intelbrief-2024-december-13/Georgia election interference:
https://www.fpri.org/article/2025/03/russian-influence-operations-in-georgia-a-threat-to-democracy-and-regional-stability/Slovakia election interference:
https://misinforeview.hks.harvard.edu/article/beyond-the-deepfake-hype-ai-democracy-and-the-slovak-case/Serbia election interference:
https://octopusinstitute.org/foreign-interference-in-elections-and-its-impact-on-democracy-and-national-security-the-case-of-kosovo/Crypto funds rightwing extremists, usually in preparation for an election takeover:
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2025/01/report-crypto-donations-right-wing-extremist-groups-rising-especially-europe/402427/Russia funds rightwing social media in the US:
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/07/nx-s1-5101895/doj-says-russia-paid-right-wing-influencers-to-spread-russian-propagandaRussia called Ukraine Nazis:
https://www.adl.org/resources/article/why-putin-calling-ukrainian-government-bunch-nazisRussia and stooge says Ukraine war is proxy war:
https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-rubios-view-ukraine-conflict-us-russia-proxy-war-matches-that-putin-2025-03-06/AFD is explicitly pro-Russian:
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5167235-germanys-afd-presents-a-clear-and-present-danger-to-the-global-order/Musk supports AFD:
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/09/world/musk-livestream-afd-weidel-germany-intlMusk in contact with Putin:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-to-know-about-elon-musks-reported-phone-calls-with-putin-and-why-it-mattersMusk funded a dark money group ($100mil) that pretended to be Democrats and astroturfed:
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2024/10/pro-trump-dark-money-network-tied-to-elon-musk-behind-fake-pro-harris-campaign-scheme/Starlink satellites are in Russia:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-using-thousands-spacex-starlink-terminals-ukraine-wsj-says-2024-02-15/Russiaās Starlink access helping them win war:
https://www.intellinews.com/elon-musk-s-starlink-is-turning-the-tide-of-the-ukraine-war-in-favour-of-russia-348292/Russia developing own Starlink:
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/russia-developing-starlink-rival-rapid-pace-space-chief-says-2025-09-17/Letās do something about it if you have evidence to support your assertions
Lol you sweet summer child. Thereās a world war coming, the entire EU has been unable to stop this. What narcissism do you posess that you think this info, freely available to everyone, is new to them just because it is new to you?
Twitter is owned by Elon, who was given money by BRICS/Saudis (long story about UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Israel and.how they fit into BRICS) for this exact purpose.
Zuckerberg is owned by the US government along with Google, so they step in heel with whoever is in charge.
Yes, had we had a national online forum, this couldāve been prevented.
Tucker Carlson Funded by Russian Propaganda Machine, Justin Trudeau Testifies Under Oath
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/story/justin-trudeau-tucker-calrson-russian-propaganda?srsltid=AfmBOoq46ydAPuJqfNAquGPraVEOGa-etrh7mNcTIf9RkeQgPgEY0qeoHeās actually covered by my first sources, the Active Measures doc
Youtube VideoMeme for when someone decides this isnāt enough evidence, even though he hasnāt seen Active Measures or American Kompromat (most damning evidence imo)
Eta:
Please stop editing your parent comment as a response to me, and just reply below so we can have a normal back and forth. Youāve had more than enough time while I got these links to finish the above comment.Citizens are responsible for keeping their countries healthy, their media fair, and their governments and elected officials representing their interests.
? We are under active attack and warfare. Would you say this about Ukrainians or Gazans? This is victim blaming. This warfare is brand new, itās like blaming Europe for not being able to defend themselves against Genghis Khan because he developed horseback warfare.
Further, youāve just been given substantial links that Russia is funding and orchestrating a global Nazi fascist movement for possibly billions of dollars and killing millions for a global war, which makes them Nazis that are allied with China, India, etc.
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Im seeing this just after having a while conversation about conservative Christians making a big deal about āfinding truth in faithā after the Kirk shooting and this feels similar to me
Thereās this clear implication that the ātruthā can only be found through your ideological worldview, and a complete abandoning of any attempt at justifying or supporting it through reason. Any piece of information thatās misaligned is dismissed as propaganda - but whatās especially annoying is that it doesnāt even have to be coherently opposed to truth but merely distracting from whatās supposedly more important.
Americans are one of the most propagandized populations on the planet - but I wouldnāt even put Russia in the top 5 sources of it.
