Based and Red Pilled Gigachad, many such cases 😔

The majority ARE on Russia’s payroll, it’s literally how they got famous. They were blackmailable, due to crimes including visiting illegal porn sites and snuff sites, which has content literally made by Putin of his prisoners and people he dislikes to warn others to stay in line and to get blackmail.

So Russia picks someone they can blackmail FIRST, and THEN has them make content that they advertise and have bot armies (slaves, human slaves) talk about in comments etc. They do this EXACT strategy wirh crypto tickers and with fundraisers like for Gaza. If the bots (HUMAN SLAVES) do not perform well, they get tortured, starved, etc. It is literally thousands of people in these networks, and they are working in concert with BRICS, not just Russia.

Rightwingers are just the excuse BRICS needs to "liberate " the US from Nazis. They need a Nazi takeover, but an incompetent one, so they can attack us and look like the good guys and still win. Our economy is collapsing, healthcare and food and farming (which farming is the foundation of the stock market fyi) all collapsing. Education collapsing. It’s bad already from their attacks, idk how it isn’t obvious.

Maybe you didn’t pay attention to when it happened to other countries, thats why Romanians, Serbians, Georgians, Slovakians all saw it and protested. It’s also why Russia explicitly labeled Ukraine as being taken over by Nazis and insists Ukraine is a proxy war started by the US and EU. It’s why they fund Nazis (AFD) in Germany. It’s why Elon supports the AFD. Elon also betrayed the US by illegally giving Putin Starlink satellites in 2022, which were paid for and funded by the US. That’s a huge part of why he was so freaked out Trump would lose - he should be sitting in the ICC right now for being a traitor and giving Putin those satellites.

Uh huh. The ol’ ‘anyone who criticizes NATO proxy wars is a Russian stooge.’

Is there propaganda that is fascist in nature? It’s bad propaganda then. Can you give an example? Propaganda should always be for all good and everyone’s happiness. Specifics don’t matter, you can bring the followers wherever you want later.

You can source your claims. I’ll wait. There is too much here that is hyperbole or speculation and not based in reality, even if there are points sprinkled in that I agree with largely or in part. If a majority of right-wing influencers are literally and currently traitors, that is a serious accusation and requires serious proof. Let’s do something about it if you have evidence to support your assertions.

And social media companies are the ones promoting these influencers and their channels and putting people in bubbles with their algorithms. Not properly moderating comment sections is also a choice of social media companies. Advertisers also have no problem funding these right-wing influencers either.

Citizens are responsible for keeping their countries healthy, their media fair, and their governments and elected officials representing their interests.

As for BRICS “liberating us” from Nazis - no, we got this. Farming was already unsustainable for reasons unrelated to Trump.

Intent, mindfulness, and informed decision making?

I mean, knowing that something is technically propaganda does not make it wrong or make it taboo to repeat. The word has a negative connotation because it’s typically used to describe the “other” guys, sure, but its meaning is very broad.

If I were to say the phrase “fuck Nestle” or even just the term “DeGoogle” one could correctly label those as anti-corporate propaganda with an agenda to harm the interests of an untold number of shareholders. Heck, thanks to broadly diversified 401k investment fund options, I am probably one of them and future me could lose entire dollars.

Is anybody on Lemmy going to shake their finger at me for repeating those two pieces of targeted, agenda-driven propaganda though? I certainly don’t feel icky for saying it. I bet I could even say something negative about the president of the united states without feeling embarrassed. :]

As opposed to the old “only the Great Powers have agency” gambit, which is actual Russian propaganda. Heaven forbid countries other than the US, Russian and China be even conceived of being able to take actions on their own.

Please see American Kompromat by Unger and Active Measures documentary linked elsewhere itt.

Regarding illicit content/ snuff, here’s a much smaller example with monkey torture rings:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-65951188

Torture by Putin’s admin in prisons:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62465043

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-prison-torture-rape-videos/31493651.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58978613

Cyberwarfare by Russia, including propaganda:
https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/exploring-cyber-darkness-how-moscow-undermines-the-west-via-the-dark-web/

Bots are actually large human slave networks:
https://www.npr.org/2025/05/23/1253043749/pig-butchering-scam-crypto-tether

US election interference (there’s actually a lot of these links but I’ll post most recent I know of):
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2766

Here’s one more:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/01/us-election-software-national-security-threats-00176615

Romania election interference:
https://thesoufancenter.org/intelbrief-2024-december-13/

Georgia election interference:
https://www.fpri.org/article/2025/03/russian-influence-operations-in-georgia-a-threat-to-democracy-and-regional-stability/

Slovakia election interference:
https://misinforeview.hks.harvard.edu/article/beyond-the-deepfake-hype-ai-democracy-and-the-slovak-case/

Serbia election interference:
https://octopusinstitute.org/foreign-interference-in-elections-and-its-impact-on-democracy-and-national-security-the-case-of-kosovo/

Crypto funds rightwing extremists, usually in preparation for an election takeover:
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2025/01/report-crypto-donations-right-wing-extremist-groups-rising-especially-europe/402427/

Russia funds rightwing social media in the US:
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/07/nx-s1-5101895/doj-says-russia-paid-right-wing-influencers-to-spread-russian-propaganda

Trump adds them to his admin:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/influencer-paid-russia-added-white-162543389.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAM6mnZqJLe5BheLVgOJJ1dlUMCY4IuVQhG6bSffWow5NBULR0CIFB3782tB-LiButrIxuxOt-NVPQRPtZWD-ow4vl1uicz-M6JIM_y3Ui0e21vz_b2BEB74SNEOOS2YnYpMbMclxdjGFm4p11qBxH8Pufg2WRQKN1FdwQ1sEC5S6

Russia called Ukraine Nazis:
https://www.adl.org/resources/article/why-putin-calling-ukrainian-government-bunch-nazis

Russia and stooge says Ukraine war is proxy war:
https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-rubios-view-ukraine-conflict-us-russia-proxy-war-matches-that-putin-2025-03-06/

AFD is explicitly pro-Russian:
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5167235-germanys-afd-presents-a-clear-and-present-danger-to-the-global-order/

Musk supports AFD:
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/09/world/musk-livestream-afd-weidel-germany-intl

Musk in contact with Putin:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-to-know-about-elon-musks-reported-phone-calls-with-putin-and-why-it-matters

Musk funded a dark money group ($100mil) that pretended to be Democrats and astroturfed:
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2024/10/pro-trump-dark-money-network-tied-to-elon-musk-behind-fake-pro-harris-campaign-scheme/

Starlink satellites are in Russia:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-using-thousands-spacex-starlink-terminals-ukraine-wsj-says-2024-02-15/

Russia’s Starlink access helping them win war:
https://www.intellinews.com/elon-musk-s-starlink-is-turning-the-tide-of-the-ukraine-war-in-favour-of-russia-348292/

Russia developing own Starlink:
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/russia-developing-starlink-rival-rapid-pace-space-chief-says-2025-09-17/

Let’s do something about it if you have evidence to support your assertions

Lol you sweet summer child. There’s a world war coming, the entire EU has been unable to stop this. What narcissism do you posess that you think this info, freely available to everyone, is new to them just because it is new to you?

Twitter is owned by Elon, who was given money by BRICS/Saudis (long story about UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Israel and.how they fit into BRICS) for this exact purpose.

Zuckerberg is owned by the US government along with Google, so they step in heel with whoever is in charge.

Yes, had we had a national online forum, this could’ve been prevented.

Tucker Carlson Funded by Russian Propaganda Machine, Justin Trudeau Testifies Under Oath
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/story/justin-trudeau-tucker-calrson-russian-propaganda?srsltid=AfmBOoq46ydAPuJqfNAquGPraVEOGa-etrh7mNcTIf9RkeQgPgEY0qeo

He’s actually covered by my first sources, the Active Measures doc
Youtube Video

Meme for when someone decides this isn’t enough evidence, even though he hasn’t seen Active Measures or American Kompromat (most damning evidence imo)

Eta:
Please stop editing your parent comment as a response to me, and just reply below so we can have a normal back and forth. You’ve had more than enough time while I got these links to finish the above comment.

Citizens are responsible for keeping their countries healthy, their media fair, and their governments and elected officials representing their interests.

? We are under active attack and warfare. Would you say this about Ukrainians or Gazans? This is victim blaming. This warfare is brand new, it’s like blaming Europe for not being able to defend themselves against Genghis Khan because he developed horseback warfare.

Further, you’ve just been given substantial links that Russia is funding and orchestrating a global Nazi fascist movement for possibly billions of dollars and killing millions for a global war, which makes them Nazis that are allied with China, India, etc.

Im seeing this just after having a while conversation about conservative Christians making a big deal about ‘finding truth in faith’ after the Kirk shooting and this feels similar to me

There’s this clear implication that the ‘truth’ can only be found through your ideological worldview, and a complete abandoning of any attempt at justifying or supporting it through reason. Any piece of information that’s misaligned is dismissed as propaganda - but what’s especially annoying is that it doesn’t even have to be coherently opposed to truth but merely distracting from what’s supposedly more important.

Americans are one of the most propagandized populations on the planet - but I wouldn’t even put Russia in the top 5 sources of it.

The US passed laws protecting trans people and many Americans are literally trans or allies. Russia however, is extremely anti-trans.

ahh, to live in 2014 again.

That’s me. I’m naive af

It’s still here in 2025. America isn’t a bunch of fascist MAGAs, even if we are being taken over by Russian assets and Russian propaganda.

my sibling in Christ, Reps. Mace and Jackson literally shouted the t-slur yesterday and called for all trans people to be forcibly institutionalized. Trump said he “wouldn’t oppose” banning the trans flag when a reporter asked about “transtifa.” Musk retweeted someone who called trans women “perverted, deranged bioweapons” and trans men “osteoporotic, androgynous goblins,” calling us to be contained and forbidden to communicate with each other. along with someone else calling for a total ban on HRT for all ages. we’ve been kicked out of the military, and stripped of security clearances. the DoJ has floated banning us from gun ownership by ruling that we’re “mentally defective.” my passport has an M on it because Trump reverted all the rules on his first day in office. it’s a literal felony for trans women to use the women’s bathroom in Florida, and for trans office workers to use their own pronouns. coverage for trans health has been stripped from nearly every public service. trans protections have recently been eviscerated in Skrmetti.

it’s really not going great.

I want to thank you for sourcing your claims and engaging with me in good faith.

Please see American Kompromat by Unger and Active Measures documentary linked elsewhere itt.

I will give it a watch and the former a read at a later time when I get over my illness, but the rise of Trump surely didn’t have anything to do with the DNC and Clinton campaign pushing Trump as a pied piper candidate and telling the media to take him seriously. Russia did not make the mainstream media mention him an uncountable number of times. Russia also does not fund domestic right-wing organizations that back Trump to the best of my knowledge.

From the verified, leaked DNC memo sent by the Clinton campaign in 2015:

Our hope is that the goal of a potential HRC campaign and the DNC would be one-­‐in-­‐the-­‐same: to make whomever the Republicans nominate unpalatable to a majority of the electorate. We have outlined three strategies to obtain our goal:

1. Force all Republican candidates to lock themselves into extreme conservative positions that will hurt them in a
   general election;

In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more “Pied Piper” candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party. Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:
• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson

We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to them
seriously.

It’s clear that the press took him seriously.

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Regarding illicit content/ snuff, here’s a much smaller example with monkey torture rings: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-65951188

I’m not sure if that’s relevant to the discussion.

Torture by Putin’s admin in prisons: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62465043

I don’t disbelieve that.

Cyberwarfare by Russia, including propaganda: https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/exploring-cyber-darkness-how-moscow-undermines-the-west-via-the-dark-web/

Not entirely relevant to the discussion, but a lot of these vectors could be mitigated through sane practices like not exposing our e.g. energy infrastructure to the open web.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/01/us-election-software-national-security-threats-00176615

Long read, got through most of it. States and our country being broadly incompetent with our voting systems is well-known. We can do better at any point to standardize systems, increase oversight and transparency, improve efficiency, and vastly improve security. Experts and other influential figures have been sounding the alarm for a long time.

[sources of election interference in Europe]

I don’t live in these countries and I did not experience these happenings, but I will say that it is incredibly more plausible to me that Russia is more overtly influencing European politics, and I don’t need a wealth of evidence to hold that position. Thanks for the links though, I will check them out on my own time.

Crypto funds rightwing extremists, usually in preparation for an election takeover: https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2025/01/report-crypto-donations-right-wing-extremist-groups-rising-especially-europe/402427/

Unregulated, speculative, and essentially untraceable currencies should not have ever been able to be converted to other currencies and exist in the form that they have. I am unsurprised, but at the same time I believe that we can do better.

[various sources relating to the Ukraine sovereignty war/Russian invasion]

I am a believer in sovereignty and I support the people of Ukraine. I’ll leave it at that.

[various sources relating to Musk & Starlink]

Yes, Musk is very likely a traitor and is not a good faith actor. The facts are in evidence, yet you are the first person I have seen consolidating this information.

Lol you sweet summer child. There’s a world war coming, the entire EU has been unable to stop this.

The EU has done nothing concrete on multiple fronts. The Biden administration also largely abandoned Ukraine…

I don’t see a world war or a civil war coming, call me naive but I feel there is little appetite from populaces across the world. I don’t believe China would seriously position themselves with Russia against the world, despite recent developments which I am aware of. Again, maybe I’m naive, but I’ll hold my position.

Yes, had we had a national online forum, this could’ve been prevented.

I disagree, I am a firm believer in decentralized social media. I dislike Lemmy and other fediverse platforms for a few key reasons that we may agree on, but they are the best we have currently. Specific countries could regulate or tailor domestic decentralized media to fit their needs. Centralized, mostly unregulated, and advertiser-driven media has got us into the mess we are in.

Tucker Carlson Funded by Russian Propaganda Machine, Justin Trudeau Testifies Under Oath

I don’t see Justin Trudeau or Tucker Carlson as good faith actors. I need evidence.

We are under active attack and warfare. Would you say this about Ukrainians or Gazans? This is victim blaming. This warfare is brand new, it’s like blaming Europe for not being able to defend themselves against Genghis Khan because he developed horseback warfare.

This is how democracy and representative governance works - it’s not victim-blaming.

Eta: Please stop editing your parent comment as a response to me, and just reply below so we can have a normal back and forth. You’ve had more than enough time while I got these links to finish the above comment.

You are editing your comment, as well as your initial response to me, just as much as I am now trying to respond to you. My initial response to you was only mildly edited after I saw your edits. Chill, I want to make myself perfectly clear.

Further, you’ve just been given substantial links that Russia is funding and orchestrating a global Nazi fascist movement for possibly billions of dollars and killing millions for a global war, which makes them Nazis that are allied with China, India, etc.

Our right-wing think tanks and gems like Musk do plenty to influence European politics, as well.

To me, it seems that you are vastly overestimating BRICS. World war does not end well for anyone. It’s naive to suggest otherwise. I really hope you can calm yourself down, regardless of the evidence presented. War is never an inevitability or a certainty.

And what actions are those? Like partnering with the west to install a far-right regime?

Do you? Control over the medium is far more powerful than being a mere user of that medium.

Article 4 of NATO was recently activated. Russia sent drones into Romania and Poland. Germany is uping their defenses. Biden admin didn’t abandon Ukraine, Trump made a point to call Biden a warmonger over it even.

If China didn’t want Russia to be in wars, they wouldn’t send over North Korean soldiers to Russia (NK is basically a satellite slave state of China). The world war already happened when they got involved. They just don’t want to escalate it until their war manufacturing and supplies are figured out.

China wants Taiwan and the South China Sea and probably Australia for the gold. Each BRICS member has major territories goals they want, eg India and the Indus River which also has gold. BRICS was explicitly made to destabilize USD and the Euro.

I am not saying to ban other social media, I am saying as a cornerstone of democracy, we need to be able to have forums with our government in official and secure ways, that we can track, and sue over free speech violations. We cannot do that with private companies including private servers. You can just get banned and silenced. Further, we should have streamlined ways of getting government notices, recalls, and contacting our officials. No upvotes or ads allowed.

I need evidence

Active Measures doc explicitly goes over Tucker Carlson and Trump and others. Please see that doc. That’s why you’re missing so much info. I’ve given it to you already. Also the book American Kompromat.

This is how democracy and representative governance works - it’s not victim-blaming.

Wow, really? I had no clue, because we’ve been living under active attacks to our governance and democracy specifically so we CAN’T do exactly that, so we DON’T have power, because it is a fascist takeover, including blackmailing numerous government officials and public figures. Fascists don’t respect democracy. And it is victim blaming, which supports abusers - in this case, supports Nazis and fascists. Nice.

You are editing your comment just as much as I am now trying to respond to you. Chill.

No, you don’t manage my feelings, and further, your edits messed with my other comment and made it reset. So I think I get to be annoyed that it cost me an extra 15min of my life trying to tell you stuff that you couldve googled yourself because you’re so geopolitically ignorant.

Oh and btw, if you need more evidence - go look it up. I am not in charge of your education and am just giving one basic link to support my points. If you want detailed info, be proactive and seek it out and learn. As it is, you come across as willfully and deliberately ignorant and needing to be spoonfed basic information the rest of us have known since 2016.

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I -already- said I am acutely aware of recent developments. We disagree. Russia is not capable, India is unstable, and China is likely to let Russia fail as they essentially already have been. World war is absolute suicide for the human race.

I am not saying to ban other social media, I am saying as a cornerstone of democracy, we need to be able to have forums with our government in official and secure ways, that we can track, and sue over free speech violations. We cannot do that with private companies including private servers. You can just get banned and silenced. Further, we should have streamlined ways of getting government notices, recalls, and contacting our officials. No upvotes or ads allowed.

If I trusted my government, I’d be more inclined to agree with you. I’ve been lied to and gaslit far too much. My government didn’t represent my interests or the interests of the American people even under Obama. Centralized power structures are literally the problem causing every single thing we are talking about, for the most part.

so we DON’T have power

Wouldn’t it be possible to organize a vote of no confidence outside of our election system to depose our government?

No, you don’t manage my feelings, and further, your edits messed with my other comment and made it reset. So I think I get to be annoyed that it cost me an extra 15min of my life trying to tell you stuff that you couldve googled yourself because you’re so geopolitically ignorant.

You edited your initial response to me after posting. I caught your comment before you finished.

Linking me documentaries and books instead of direct, primary sources does not respect my time.

They are not America even if they seized fascist control of America. America is the people here and that includes activists and trans people. That includes you and me.

That we cry out and care is evidence the universe cries out and cares, since we are part of the universe as well. The universe through us cries out.

That we cry out and care is evidence Americans care, because we are both Americans. It is so so so important to not equate America with hate, but instead to equate the MAGA admin with hate.

And regardless, those anti-trans laws are literally Putin/Russian as a policy - remember how Russia got mad at the Olympic boxer and demanded she be tested? Russia literally funded the politicians for those laws, made all the propaganda pieces and ads, etc etc etc. And ofc some traitors and assholes went with it.

Russia has been capable for a decade now and again, has been propped up by China including the use of NK.

Suicide for the human race? Duh. And that’s climate change. They want to reduce the carrying capacity of the earth because they cannot figure out other ways. Already huge catastrophic floods in China. Farming and food will take a hit soon.

Then don’t use it. Just like we have a post office, and UPS. But you need communications to be centralized somewhat lol, that’s how communcation works. You also wouldn’t say anything on there you wouldn’t say in a Town Hall, it would be your official profile. The power structure also wouldn’t be as centralized as regular social media- that’s why you can sue and demand things, based on constitution and bill of rights and other laws. That means you actually have power over it.

There’s no legal way for us to depose the government or even to suggest to depose the government. I would never organize to depose the government. I would never trust someone on social suggesting such a thing either. I have other plans for addressing this, and they are nunya.

Linking me documentaries instead of primary sources does not respect my time.

I never removed that. Repsect your time? How about respect your blatant ignorance? Complicated topics cannot be summarized in a Tweet or Lemmy post, they take time like books, long form media, or yes, documentaries and news interviews, gasp. Not everything is so simple, sorry kiddo. And the documentary interviews primary sources like Hillary Clinton and John McCain. The documentary IS a primary source. You’d know that if you’d just watch it. It’s free on Youtube and has been linked. How intellectually pathetic of you, as I suspected you’d be.

I’ve told co-workers that a person’s resilience against propaganda is a spectrum. No one is completely immune, but you can approach high levels of resilience at the cost of your sanity.