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at least no more trolley problems

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  • F finitebanjo

    Why are we assuming it’s a passenger train? It’s probably just a choice between a small child or a middle aged conductor who did survive according to the illustration if only because they decided to draw him in afterwards as a form of censorship.

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    magnetosphere
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    Please pardon me if I’m missing something obvious. I don’t understand how censorship is involved.

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    • magnetosphereM magnetosphere

      Please pardon me if I’m missing something obvious. I don’t understand how censorship is involved.

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      finitebanjo
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      Well if they didn’t draw him in we’d all be assuming Superman murdered that guy just like user Oops just declared.

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      • F finitebanjo

        Well if they didn’t draw him in we’d all be assuming Superman murdered that guy just like user Oops just declared.

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        magnetosphere
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        Okay, thank you. I didn’t understand your use of the word “censorship”. That’s not common usage in American English, which is all I speak.

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        • magnetosphereM magnetosphere

          Okay, thank you. I didn’t understand your use of the word “censorship”. That’s not common usage in American English, which is all I speak.

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          finitebanjo
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          Look, if you were to retroactively remove implications or references to morbidity, gore, and death then that would be censorship exactly how everyone uses the word.

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          • F finitebanjo

            Why are we assuming it’s a passenger train? It’s probably just a choice between a small child or a middle aged conductor who did survive according to the illustration if only because they decided to draw him in afterwards as a form of censorship.

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            0ops
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            I only assume that it’s not an autonomous train. And I’m not making any points about morality here, that sounds exhausting and I’d rather leave that to a lawyer or judge. I’m just saying, from a physics standpoint, moving the girl instead of stopping the training would’ve saved no fewer lives and not damaged any infrastructure. Just some constructive feedback Supes, I love what you’re doin ♥️♥️♥️

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            • J jcbazpx@lemmy.world

              So only the first ten or so cars will be scenes of unbelievable carnage. Meanwhile, he could have simply picked up the kid and cushioned him from the impact.

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              Macchi_the_Slime
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              So I did some more looking and it seems like this image is from a… basically a clip show of a “story” that’s going through the history of Superman.

              So in that context we’re likely looking at a significantly less powerful Superman earlier in his history. Which also means that the situation was likely that the train itself was going to crash and he’d been pushing on it for much longer with the kid having wandered into the tracks while he was in the middle of stopping the train.

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              • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksE explodicle@sh.itjust.works

                But then isn’t he accelerating the people on the train just as much?

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                Macchi_the_Slime
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                #42

                Depends on the time in which he had to do the deceleration. I did some more looking and I guess that this page comes from Action Comics 1000 from a short bit where the current iteration of Superman is getting deja vu like flashes of things that this iteration of the character has not done but were rather part of the overall character’s history.

                So this likely came from a very early iteration of Superman that A) wasn’t nearly as strong or fast, and B) that the situation most likely began with attempting to stop a runaway train from crashing. Then while attempting to stop the train, a child wandered into the path of the train and Clark couldn’t exactly let go of the train to move the kid out of harm’s way.

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                  friendlybirdseggs@sopuli.xyz
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                  BADDD SUPA MAN BOOOO

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                  • M Macchi_the_Slime

                    Depends on the time in which he had to do the deceleration. I did some more looking and I guess that this page comes from Action Comics 1000 from a short bit where the current iteration of Superman is getting deja vu like flashes of things that this iteration of the character has not done but were rather part of the overall character’s history.

                    So this likely came from a very early iteration of Superman that A) wasn’t nearly as strong or fast, and B) that the situation most likely began with attempting to stop a runaway train from crashing. Then while attempting to stop the train, a child wandered into the path of the train and Clark couldn’t exactly let go of the train to move the kid out of harm’s way.

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                    icelimit@lemmy.ml
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                    If he can decelerate the passengers in the train non lethally, he by definition also had time to accelerate the kid nonlethally. Supes has muscles for brains.

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                    • M Macchi_the_Slime

                      I personally like “Litigation of Karens” for how often their involvement tends to involve them threatening to sue or press charges on someone.

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                      icelimit@lemmy.ml
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                      I think that doesn’t capture their stupidity sufficiently. But it’s in the right direction.

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                      • I icelimit@lemmy.ml

                        If he can decelerate the passengers in the train non lethally, he by definition also had time to accelerate the kid nonlethally. Supes has muscles for brains.

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                        Macchi_the_Slime
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                        Not if he was already pushing the train when the kid entered the equation. If this is an earlier version of Superman as this seems to be and he was already pushing the train when the kid came into the picture, then the only way for him to accelerate off the train to grab the kid is if he pushes off the train. Which effectively creates the same “stopping the train too fast,” problem.

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                        • M Macchi_the_Slime

                          Not if he was already pushing the train when the kid entered the equation. If this is an earlier version of Superman as this seems to be and he was already pushing the train when the kid came into the picture, then the only way for him to accelerate off the train to grab the kid is if he pushes off the train. Which effectively creates the same “stopping the train too fast,” problem.

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                          icelimit@lemmy.ml
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                          If he pushes off the train, he starts from Vo=Vtrain, he simply has to push off less than he would if he were standing still to get to the kid, since Vintercept would be quite a bit greater than 0 anyway. If Vintercept is smaller than Vtrain, that would mean there is no non-lethal solution, passengers in the first car would experience the same (lethal) deceleration or the kid would experience lethal acceleration.

                          He would also decelerate (and then accelerate) during the kid intercept, which being ‘super’, I would expect him to be able to do, as he can perceive things faster as well.

                          Snap the neck? Just support the neck. Just put the kid on his whole torso so the kid’s body experiences the acceleration as a monolith as if on a rocket seat.

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                          • I icelimit@lemmy.ml

                            If he pushes off the train, he starts from Vo=Vtrain, he simply has to push off less than he would if he were standing still to get to the kid, since Vintercept would be quite a bit greater than 0 anyway. If Vintercept is smaller than Vtrain, that would mean there is no non-lethal solution, passengers in the first car would experience the same (lethal) deceleration or the kid would experience lethal acceleration.

                            He would also decelerate (and then accelerate) during the kid intercept, which being ‘super’, I would expect him to be able to do, as he can perceive things faster as well.

                            Snap the neck? Just support the neck. Just put the kid on his whole torso so the kid’s body experiences the acceleration as a monolith as if on a rocket seat.

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                            Macchi_the_Slime
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                            Him starting off at the velocity of the train is the problem. It’s not as simple as “Superman just goes a little faster,” momentum has to be conserved. To launch himself forward he has to launch the train backward and the train likely doesn’t survive that. Continuing to push the train was still likely the best option Superman had in this situation.

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                              Him starting off at the velocity of the train is the problem. It’s not as simple as “Superman just goes a little faster,” momentum has to be conserved. To launch himself forward he has to launch the train backward and the train likely doesn’t survive that. Continuing to push the train was still likely the best option Superman had in this situation.

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                              icelimit@lemmy.ml
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                              To launch himself forward he has to launch the train backward and the train likely doesn’t survive that

                              Is he canonically heavier than the train?

                              He can ‘run faster than light’, or at least, it’s safe to assume he is faster than all human technologies of mobility in the context. All he has to do is accelerate to a speed, taking into account the distance required to decelerate to a non lethal speed to intercept the kid.

                              It’s basically this - the deceleration required to reduce the speed to one that is either a full stop or at least a non lethal one at the point of impact can, by definition, instead be imparted to the kid. A hypothetical person in the first engine that supes is acting on is experiencing the same deceleration as would be required to accelerated the kid during intercept.

                              The kid intercept is simply a more efficient way to address the situation in all frames of reference, albeit a less dramatic one.

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                              • I icelimit@lemmy.ml

                                To launch himself forward he has to launch the train backward and the train likely doesn’t survive that

                                Is he canonically heavier than the train?

                                He can ‘run faster than light’, or at least, it’s safe to assume he is faster than all human technologies of mobility in the context. All he has to do is accelerate to a speed, taking into account the distance required to decelerate to a non lethal speed to intercept the kid.

                                It’s basically this - the deceleration required to reduce the speed to one that is either a full stop or at least a non lethal one at the point of impact can, by definition, instead be imparted to the kid. A hypothetical person in the first engine that supes is acting on is experiencing the same deceleration as would be required to accelerated the kid during intercept.

                                The kid intercept is simply a more efficient way to address the situation in all frames of reference, albeit a less dramatic one.

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                                Macchi_the_Slime
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                                You’re ignoring the part where I said this seems to be a memory of an earlier point in comic history for Superman we’re seeing. This version of Superman is almost certainly nowhere near that fast.

                                He also doesn’t need to weigh more than the train for the train itself to not be able to withstand the force of him pushing off.

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