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Borderlands 4 boss tells players "please get a refund from Steam if you aren't happy" as Randy Pitchford continues his very public crashout over the FPS's performance woes

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  • UlrichU Ulrich

    I think they would be better of by just ignoring

    I mean the best thing they could do is to acknowledge that the game could use some optimization and promise to continue working on it. Even if they have no intention of doing so. But that might get them in trouble with Nvidia since they slapped an “Nvidia optimized” badge on it.

    The worst thing they could do is say “buy a better PC”.

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    zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
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    Exactly, like what CDPR did with Cyberpunk - own up to the fact that it was shit on release, then take the time to fix it and update it. People flipped nearly overnight from having a negative opinion of the game to a positive one when they released the working version of the game (plus a really solid DLC, which probably helped too).

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    • paraphrandP paraphrand

      Eh, I guess it is. But it also isn’t. We have stagnated a bit in the rasterization and VRAM departments when you talk about affordable entry level cards that most people buy.

      And the PlayStation 5 has not changed since it launched…

      Sure, newer cards have Ray Tracing stuff and new video encoder pipelines and some other things. But when you look at classic rasterization, and look at xx60 and xx70 class cards, it’s not the sort of leaps we use to have. Node shrinks are not what they use to be.

      A 3060 is as fast as a 2070 super. Just as an example I have first hand experience with. There use to be much larger performance gaps between generations.

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      zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
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      You shouldn’t need leaps in hardware to render a highly stylized cell shaded video game in the year 2025.

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      • Z zalgotext@sh.itjust.works

        Exactly, like what CDPR did with Cyberpunk - own up to the fact that it was shit on release, then take the time to fix it and update it. People flipped nearly overnight from having a negative opinion of the game to a positive one when they released the working version of the game (plus a really solid DLC, which probably helped too).

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        Ulrich
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        I still think it’s fucked up that CDPR and so many others have a “release it now, fix it later” mentality, but yes, at least they owned it.

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          inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
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          Dude is a never ending source of stupidity.

          So it’s been reported that the PS 5 suffers from performance issues, especially during long play periods due to being perfectly optimized and this is his latest response:

          “Known issue of perf dropping on PS5 pro after several hours of continuous play,” he said. “Workaround until we patch: Quit game and restart. Sorry for the friction!”

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            morphballganon@lemmy.world
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            Hey board of directors! Make me your new CEO and I will fix this problem!

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              degenerationip@lemmy.world
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              Damn, that all is Comedy and insanely ridiculous.

              People wanted this Game so Bad. They fucked up a bit … and the CEO goes banana. What a sad ending to this

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              • I inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world

                Dude is a never ending source of stupidity.

                So it’s been reported that the PS 5 suffers from performance issues, especially during long play periods due to being perfectly optimized and this is his latest response:

                “Known issue of perf dropping on PS5 pro after several hours of continuous play,” he said. “Workaround until we patch: Quit game and restart. Sorry for the friction!”

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                zahille7@lemmy.world
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                #61

                I mean, he’s an airheaded out-of-touch fellow-kids piece of shit, but he’s not entirely wrong about restarting a game if it starts getting fucky after several hours of continuous play.

                Also, I’d suggest to just about anyone that they should probably at least get up and walk around, maybe get some fresh air, if you’re gonna be gaming all day. Your devices need breaks too.

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                • Z zahille7@lemmy.world

                  I mean, he’s an airheaded out-of-touch fellow-kids piece of shit, but he’s not entirely wrong about restarting a game if it starts getting fucky after several hours of continuous play.

                  Also, I’d suggest to just about anyone that they should probably at least get up and walk around, maybe get some fresh air, if you’re gonna be gaming all day. Your devices need breaks too.

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                  treesquid@lemmy.world
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                  He’s not wrong, but a game you have to do that to isn’t made very well.

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                    fizz@lemmy.nz
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                    Borderlands really didnt deserve another chance after the shit games theyve released but it seems people fell for.the marketing and gave it one anyway. Now the same thing is happening the game is shit and was sold at a ridiculous price and while you’re sitting there trying to scrap together some enjoyment youve got this asshole Randy hitting headlines daily.

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                    • Z zalgotext@sh.itjust.works

                      You shouldn’t need leaps in hardware to render a highly stylized cell shaded video game in the year 2025.

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                      paraphrand
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                      #64

                      Yeah, but it’s not just a toon shader/cel shaded shader.

                      I’ve seen footage, this game has full (highly stylized) PBR and all sorts of fancy lighting along with the cell shaded look. Reducing it all to “cell shading” isn’t the whole story.

                      Hi-Fi Rush is much closer to classic Borderlands than BL4 is.

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                      • paraphrandP paraphrand

                        Yeah, but it’s not just a toon shader/cel shaded shader.

                        I’ve seen footage, this game has full (highly stylized) PBR and all sorts of fancy lighting along with the cell shaded look. Reducing it all to “cell shading” isn’t the whole story.

                        Hi-Fi Rush is much closer to classic Borderlands than BL4 is.

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                        zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
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                        Right, I’ve seen the footage too, and I don’t think I’d recognize it as a Borderlands game if the name wasn’t included in the ads. I’m struggling to understand why they chose to go that route, rather than sticking to the beloved, iconic, performant art style of the other games in the series.

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                        • B bungle_in_the_jungle@lemmy.world

                          He’s right. Refund it and don’t bother supporting him again. Simple!

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                          deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                          Exactly. I don’t get why people even cares about what this dude is saying. Dont like the game? Refund it ffs.

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                          • Z zalgotext@sh.itjust.works

                            Right, I’ve seen the footage too, and I don’t think I’d recognize it as a Borderlands game if the name wasn’t included in the ads. I’m struggling to understand why they chose to go that route, rather than sticking to the beloved, iconic, performant art style of the other games in the series.

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                            paraphrand
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                            That’s a fair take. I’m sure they feared looking dated. I think that’s a misguided fear that you have when you don’t think the other aspects can live up to expectations.

                            Which is weird because it sounds like they tried really hard with the story, as in they tried to elevate it beyond the usual dick and fart jokes and snark. (They didn’t eliminate that stuff, but rather tried to have a balance) BL3 was terrible in that dept. it went way too hard on that shit imo.

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                              I mean, he’s an airheaded out-of-touch fellow-kids piece of shit, but he’s not entirely wrong about restarting a game if it starts getting fucky after several hours of continuous play.

                              Also, I’d suggest to just about anyone that they should probably at least get up and walk around, maybe get some fresh air, if you’re gonna be gaming all day. Your devices need breaks too.

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                              BeardedBlaze
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                              Lol @ devices need breaks too. What an absolute nonsense.

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                              • BeardedBlazeB BeardedBlaze

                                Lol @ devices need breaks too. What an absolute nonsense.

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                                suburbanl3g3nd@lemmings.world
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                                If you’re cold, they’re cold. Bring them inside

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                                • deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.comD deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                  Exactly. I don’t get why people even cares about what this dude is saying. Dont like the game? Refund it ffs.

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                                  soup@lemmy.world
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                                  They care because people that haven’t bought it should know that these issues don’t seem to be getting better. They should know that their money would be going to that asshole’s pockets. This shit matters and you wanting to plug your ears to discomfort doesn’t change that.

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                                  • Z zahille7@lemmy.world

                                    I mean, he’s an airheaded out-of-touch fellow-kids piece of shit, but he’s not entirely wrong about restarting a game if it starts getting fucky after several hours of continuous play.

                                    Also, I’d suggest to just about anyone that they should probably at least get up and walk around, maybe get some fresh air, if you’re gonna be gaming all day. Your devices need breaks too.

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                                    inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world
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                                    Honestly for a new game three or for hours sessions on a game like this is pretty normal and people are saying that it’s a constant drop in performance after just an hour or two and continues to get worse until your running like your in a 1070.

                                    And no these consoles and computers are not expected to need a break after just a two hours of running, that’s not how good applications work.

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                                    • banazir@lemmy.mlB banazir@lemmy.ml

                                      I generally have nothing but a deep sense of loathing for marketing, but I genuinely feel bad for the people who have to try smearing lipstick on this pig.

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                                      ripcord@lemmy.world
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                                      Is it really that bad?

                                      I’m not much of a fan of the series, but the complaints I’m seeing are in the “I only get 30fps instead of 60fps on ultra!” kinds of things that make me roll my eyes super hard

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                                      • ripcord@lemmy.worldR ripcord@lemmy.world

                                        Is it really that bad?

                                        I’m not much of a fan of the series, but the complaints I’m seeing are in the “I only get 30fps instead of 60fps on ultra!” kinds of things that make me roll my eyes super hard

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                                        anarch157a@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                        The eye rolling would be justified if the 30FPS was on something like a 3070 or something like that, but when the complaint comes from someone sporting a 5090, well…

                                        If the game runs at 30FPS on the latest, greatest top-of-the-line card from Nvidia, imagine what kind of performance people are getting from 4060s or RX6600s…

                                        A game that’s this badly optimised is a disrespect to all gamers.

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                                        • Z zahille7@lemmy.world

                                          I mean, he’s an airheaded out-of-touch fellow-kids piece of shit, but he’s not entirely wrong about restarting a game if it starts getting fucky after several hours of continuous play.

                                          Also, I’d suggest to just about anyone that they should probably at least get up and walk around, maybe get some fresh air, if you’re gonna be gaming all day. Your devices need breaks too.

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                                          chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
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                                          Devices don’t “need breaks”. This problem is indicative of a memory leak, which means they coded something shitty.

                                          Sure, playing for 7 hours straight is excessive, but this shouldn’t happen.

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