Come back to this post in 2030's

brace yourself, winter debate is coming

God, I remember when that meme was so fun to use.

How come you can makum snowballs in summertime?

Honestly its ridiculous how people act today.

But yeah, all we can do is try and show them how their behavior is not really sane when it comes to social media discussions. But for all we know we could be talking to bots.

Peoples opinions are reported as “misinformation” sometimes. Makes me laugh.

When I lived in the NE US in the ‘00s it would snow so much the airports would shut down for a day. Piles of snow would last well into spring. Last time I was there it snowed maybe a total of a foot for the entire winter for a couple years running. All those winter scenes in film, or even Currier and Ives prints from the turn of the last century are the only context that it used to actually snow and stay covered for months at a time.

MRGA guy on the right

I live in the arctic, we had 3 weeks over 30c this summer.

The first two weeks of September were all over 20c. Normal high for these two weeks is 8.8c.

Snow would usually sit around until late April/ early May. The last 4-5 years it’s been gone early April at the latest.

!RemindMe 2035

It’s just two AI chatbots posting to a dead internet, on a dead planet, hours before the last bit of electricity is consumed by their mainframes and a rack mining crypto.

There’s a ray Bradbury story that’s kind of similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Will_Come_Soft_Rains_(short_story)

I actually have read that one before. Definitely the inspiration

Probably inspired that ST:TNG episode with the Douwd as well.

Same deal with Lake Placid, NY and Hakuba, Nagano, you ask anyone who’s been in a snow area since the 70s about how impassible people’s yards became from the snow when they were in their 20s. At least Sapporo got snow this year.

This is internet arguments now

Sure but when hasn’t it been?

I dunno the 80s?

As late as the 2000s. The internet didn’t always have the content it does now. News agencies took a long time to adopt it. Publications scientific or otherwise weren’t all published online. Content aggregators hadn’t scraped and indexed it all. Random pseuds hadn’t social media profiles to digest and spit out their takes on it. None of that existed which has led us to this point where internet arguments are two doofuses frantically dumping the results of that on each other.

Believe or not. Once upon a time not long ago people on the internet didn’t know everything. And generally they didn’t pretend to. Much less get into the modern day logical fallacy warfare while firing volleys of “sources” at each other.

As a user of the internet and telnet in the 80s, this was also the case back then. But also, sharing the entire sources and sharing knowledge was the primary use.

Western Europe. Places stopped having any freezing in winter. It just turned into one long autumn.

There always was at least a small contingent of people with this kind of discourse, but as a creeky old timer, i started seeing the change around 2014-2015, when everything seemed to scale up.

I feel a lot of it came from consolidation. In the before times, forums were small, topic-focused, usually separate websites, and the mods either owned the site, or could directly speak to the owner.(its own separate drama, but you could always hop onto another site.

You always had poop throwers and trolls, but each of the poop throwers usually had a specific type or trigger that would set off. The trolls were usually of the kenM variety, where they stirred poop and it was contained to a degree.

I think most importantly, because people were going to a place for a specific topic, it kept people somewhat civil. People with different tastes and opinions came together under a shared interest, and it helped with dialogue.

There were a LOT of downsides. One which doesn’t get addressed enough was that people weren’t as accepting of others being publicly identifiable as LGBTQ+, disabilities or being on the spectrum (those forum sections was often soft- coded as “anime”). And those biases were often baked into these groups.
But honestly, today, it seems like the internet is even more segregated than before. While now, everyone is more or less forced onto one of the big socials, they no longer go to “the car forum” or “the tabletop forum”, its the “car forum of a rigid narrow band of political partisan and identity that you have to prove allegiance to or you cannot talk about sparkplugs”.

While I’m happy a lot of folks with differing paths in life can find community online, I wish there were more spaces for cross pollination of those beliefs. And because all these differing threads are under the control of sterile, monoculture corporations with little connection to these forums, admin policy reflects a detached, nuanced free reality where all furrys are porn, POC content is regulated into POC only threads, and grandma’s automatically get shoved in with the alt-right. (I’m in no way calling grannies alt-right, but a LOT of recommendation sites will try to channel them into innocuous looking alt treads, so please protect and inform your grannies)

For now, I’m enjoying Lemmy, but it feels like a distillation of all the issues mentioned. Not only is everything hyper granular , but you can essentially filter everything you don’t like off the island. While that may give a sort of peace of mind, it doesn’t address the issue that theres a bunch of jerks here, or expose those jerks to anti-jerk ways, so lemmy is becoming an even more amplified echo chamber than reddit, but now a user doesn’t even have to know that there’s a mirror-verse of the same threads saying the same things, only filtered through ingroup opinions.