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  • A acockworkorange@mander.xyz

    POSIX shell sucks ass. Just because there are many worse options doesn’t make it any better.

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    unalivejoy
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    I love my bash-isms.

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    • M marafon@sh.itjust.works

      I just switched to fish for the pretty colors and quality of life features. Anything I should keep in mind while using it as a Linux noob? I don’t even know who POSIX is lol.

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      nalivai@lemmy.world
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      zsh with oh-my-zsh addon can do the same amount of pretty colours and qol stuff, with the addition of being POSIX compliant. Not that fish is bad or anything, but you don’t want additional troubles with random incompatibility on top of the usual learning curve.

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      • Hellfire103H Hellfire103

        Nah, fuck that. I’m using yash.

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        jankatarch@lemmy.world
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        Chaotic lawful.

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        • B bitwolf

          #!/bin/sh #!/bin/bash?

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          thevoidzero@lemmy.world
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          Then you’re just running bash scripts with bash. You’re not running bash scripts with fish.

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          • RmDebArc_5R RmDebArc_5

            fish, the friendly interactive shell, is a commandline shell intended to be interactive and user-friendly.

            fish is intentionally not fully POSIX compliant, it aims at addressing POSIX inconsistencies (as perceived by the creators) with a simplified or a different syntax. This means that even simple POSIX compliant scripts may require some significant adaptation or even full rewriting to run with fish.

            Source

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            gonzako@lemmy.world
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            It’s installed on my machine but really don’t know how to make use of it that much. Any tips and tricksters?

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            • C CubitOom

              Switching to dash

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              gonzako@lemmy.world
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              I’d rather use cash

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              • T thevoidzero@lemmy.world

                Then you’re just running bash scripts with bash. You’re not running bash scripts with fish.

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                alecsargent@lemmy.zip
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                I think that’s the point of the comment

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                • Kilgore TroutK Kilgore Trout

                  Ask the maintainer to push the update to Factory.

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                  woelkchen@lemmy.world
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                  Maybe later

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                  • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.comD dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                    basically a text expansion. I have g=git, so when I type “g push” after I hit space after g, it expands it to git in the terminal as if i just typed out git myself. My history doesnt show “g push” it shows “git push” before I push enter

                    https://fishshell.com/docs/current/cmds/abbr.html

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                    fleet@lemmy.ca
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                    Been using fish for years and did not know this.

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                    • G gonzako@lemmy.world

                      It’s installed on my machine but really don’t know how to make use of it that much. Any tips and tricksters?

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                      kurallier@programming.dev
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                      #37

                      While using the fish shell you can just type ‘help’, and it’ll pull up an offline web page with their manuals and guides. But to be honest, I dont really use fish for anything but the fancy colors and auto-completion lol.
                      Also fish 🐟 🙂

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                      • kurallier@programming.devK kurallier@programming.dev

                        While using the fish shell you can just type ‘help’, and it’ll pull up an offline web page with their manuals and guides. But to be honest, I dont really use fish for anything but the fancy colors and auto-completion lol.
                        Also fish 🐟 🙂

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                        gonzako@lemmy.world
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                        oh yeah! the autocompletion seems great

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                        • alecsargent@lemmy.zipA alecsargent@lemmy.zip

                          I think that’s the point of the comment

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                          bitwolf
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                          #39

                          Exactly, use the shell you like (nushell in my case), write POSIX scripts for maintainability, and use shebangs so you don’t have to think about it.

                          If you like fish but don’t use it as your login shell because it’s not POSIX you’re missing the point of the shebang

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                          • tal@lemmy.todayT tal@lemmy.today

                            I have no shell configs of any kind because it seemed like everytime I used another computer, I would not have them and I would end up having the re-learn everything.

                            What I do is store my dotfiles in a git repository, and leave symlinks to the files in that repository. Then, when I move to another computer, pulling over all my configuration consists of doing a git pull to pull the git repo over and then running a command to set up the symlinks on that new computer. I can also make changes and selectively push things in. Some things need to be specific to a computer, and those don’t go in.

                            I use a homebrew script to set up the symlinks. A number of people use GNU stow for this.

                            kagis for an example of someone using stow

                            https://brandon.invergo.net/news/2012-05-26-using-gnu-stow-to-manage-your-dotfiles.html?round=two

                            If you edit the symlinks in emacs (and I imagine vim), it picks up on the fact that they’re symlinks into a git repository and that they’re version-controlled.

                            So, like:

                            • Have a bare git repository on home machine, the “master” copy.

                            • Every machine with an account has a non-bare dotfiles git repository checked out and symlinks pointing into that repo.

                            • Make any changes on a given machine like you normally would, then git commit them to the local non-bare dotfiles git repo and push them to the master repository.

                            • If setting up on a new machine, pull the git repository, and then run the command to set up the symlinks.___

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                            interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
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                            That does sound like a good plan and I do have my own git server but
                            Can I expect to be able to do this in the various work shells I come across ?
                            Or do I risk becoming afoul of IT security ?(especially as it is not practical to ask each of them)

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                            • I interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml

                              That does sound like a good plan and I do have my own git server but
                              Can I expect to be able to do this in the various work shells I come across ?
                              Or do I risk becoming afoul of IT security ?(especially as it is not practical to ask each of them)

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                              tal@lemmy.today
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                              I mean, that’s not a question I can answer for you. I have never had a problem, myself, but I have no idea what your professional situation is. There are a shit-ton of ways to move git repositories around. If you can ssh out, if you can move physical storage in and out, if you have https out (though that’ll be unidirectional in). I doubt that a typical IT department is going to care about you moving your dotfiles in, so if they do block something, probably worth a try just saying “I just want to pull my dotfiles from home; what’s a good way to do that?” My guess is that most IT departments aren’t going to have an issue with that. If you work for an intelligence service or something that has really super-stringent security requirements, then having any data movement in or out may be more of a headache.

                              I would be careful to avoid sticking credentials (keys, passwords, anything like that) in any git-managed dotfiles. Not an issue for most software, but there are a few packages that will do that (neonmodem, a BBS-themed console Linux Lemmy client, does that…was just trying it yesterday.) You don’t want to be dumping your home credentials all over in your git history, and work isn’t going to want you pushing work credentials out.

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                              • D dreugeworst@lemmy.ml

                                using nushell is my little rebellion against POSIX tyranny

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                                mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                POSIX tryanny? Lmao

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                                • RmDebArc_5R RmDebArc_5

                                  fish, the friendly interactive shell, is a commandline shell intended to be interactive and user-friendly.

                                  fish is intentionally not fully POSIX compliant, it aims at addressing POSIX inconsistencies (as perceived by the creators) with a simplified or a different syntax. This means that even simple POSIX compliant scripts may require some significant adaptation or even full rewriting to run with fish.

                                  Source

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                                  eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                  I’m sorry I can’t hear you over my eshell

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                                  • B bitwolf

                                    Exactly, use the shell you like (nushell in my case), write POSIX scripts for maintainability, and use shebangs so you don’t have to think about it.

                                    If you like fish but don’t use it as your login shell because it’s not POSIX you’re missing the point of the shebang

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                                    lilith267@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                    Write POSIX scripts for portability*, maintainability doesn’t depend much on the shell

                                    POSIX for the system, Fish for the interaction is how I like my OS :3

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                                    • B bitwolf

                                      #!/bin/sh #!/bin/bash?

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                                      fnrir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                      #!/usr/bin/env bash
                                      
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