Political discourse

Say what. No one I know has ever gone down that route. Anarchism is the furthest reach from ancap or sovcit.

I guess I and my friends have the antidote: read some actual theory. You couldn’t possibly agree with theory then go ancap. Sounds like you’re describing YouTube anarchists.

Incoherent.

Preferring discourse over violence

The sister comments to this one are already calling the poster a fascist

Anyone who stands against genocide and opposes war has been lumped in with “tankie” for a long while now. That centrist is empowering the Nazis.

The difference between the two using the following anecdote explains why I hate what you said: if you ask me politely to go fuck myself, I might or might not comply; if you put a gun to my head and do the same thing, I have no choice but to comply. My point is that violence, including the threat to commit it, works more often than not.

Kimmel got fired for pointing the spotlight back at Trump and Epstein. Had nothing to do with Kirk.

Literally just the most basic Marxist definition of the state. Calling this incoherent is an epic self own.

Incapable/unwilling to understand is completely district from impossible to be understood.

Yes, you can even be a communist without being a tankie.

My point is that violence, including the threat to commit it, works more often than not.

If your thinking is very short term. Long term it starts a cycle of increasing violence in which everyone loses.

Thanks for the grasroots money, this small group is actually very loud. The loudest of them all. They maintain the illusion that communism is when you like Russia, and that’s their entire purpose

I disagree that left of center is more nuanced than communism. Most communists historically reject all forms of sectarianism, although we can fall into it anyway for a lot of reasons. I have love and admiration for many progressive liberals, and leftists that are not communists (commies are often not the most left faction, leninists tend to be more center left.) When you get to this level of analysis though, left right and center stop being useful and you have to dig into actual issues and political action.

But many progressive liberals are wrongheaded or idealist and dualist, which is not conducive to nuance. But also people are often much more deep and full of insight than their politics suggest

In many cases, I think so. People everywhere get their morality from culture. Since many people are raised conservative, and risk damaging their social connection in their community by straying from conservative values, people can be very protective of certain social conventions and perspectives, out of fear of social isolation or even alienating themselves from their actual nature in order to adhere to social convention.

Its an understatement to say that the far right/fascism weaponizes this fact. But many many conservatives are workers which means that they share lived exploitation with the rest of us. Capitalism is the force that divides the working class, and when we participate in divisive/sectarian tendencies then whatever ideology we claim, leftist or whatever, then we are carrying water for the billionaire class.

Its not always that simple though. Many people experience real trauma by having conservative values thrust upon them. Objective morality is a plague, but so is dualism. We need to think completely differently and work with others to navigate these dynamics

The ACP is the only american so-called communist org that supports Trump, and virtually every other segment of the serious organized left considers them a fascist org. Don’t buy into fascist framing of issues or you are working for the fascists when you spread them

That’s more likely to be Nationalist Bolshevism. The correct term is should be ‘NazBol’ and they’re nationalistic right wingers.

Keep in mind some users on Lemmy use the term ‘tankie’ to include anyone with opposition to capitalism and will argue to include anyone who is pro-palestinian or even anti-war ironically.

But those users just so happen to be critics of the Nuremburg Trial verdicts, so their opinions matter less than the NazBols to begin with.

And Chinese state run TikTok promoted him and Hexbear was singing his praises. Bottom line is anybody who opposes “us imperialism, capitalism” is happy to see Trump make cruelty the point, happy to see Americans suffer in decline.

Tankies aren’t far left, they’re just the CCP’s tools of war.

Tankies support China and the USSR, neither of which have ever practiced rule by the proletariat, and of which the remainder is committing their own little genocide at home.

That is a total and complete lie. DSA, the largest socialist org in the USA in 100 years is unwaveringly against us imperialism and capitalism, and Trump. There are virtually no tankies in DSA, even the most ml aligned factions in DSA are not “tankies” as you try to slander.

Democratic socialism is opposed to imperialism and capitalism, none too fond of China or Russia (though I’m sure if you bad faith make certain generalizations you could make illogical connections to suit your purpose), virulently anti Trump and “tankies” when they pop up in our org usually become disengaged ineffective sectarian hyper minorities, though they rarely pop up at all.

In fact if you aren’t opposed to US imperialism, you are on the right wing, and have no right to speak on it. Do you think the genocide in Palestine is a left wing position? Be serious

i remember talking about the nuremburg trials with some… now that i think about of it most of them were lawyer friends, and i only have basic education about the nuremburg trials. a few of them have studied them in depth, and now that i think about it the only criticism i ever heard about the verdict was, if you’ll allow me to paraphrase, “you’re going to spend your whole life disappointed if you keep expecting everything to be perfect”.

If you’re not talking about Tankies then what are you even arguing against? I think you’ve just been fighting a strawman in your head rather than against anything I’ve written.

Heres a tip, if you don’t want to be treated like a pro-authoritarian bot then stop defending them and stop throwing your hat in with their lot.

Bernie Sanders early in his career rejected the label of socialist because he didn’t want to be associated with the USSR, China, and concentration camps, you can find countless quotes on that. He also doesn’t even oppose capitalism, in his book “It’s OK to Be Angry About Capitalism” he outlines that the problem is late stage, undemocratic, uber-capitalism and his ideal system is adding the social safety nets they use in scandinavia while taxing the rich.