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  • J jcbazpx@lemmy.world

    The right is sill around. They just have a ‘D’ next to their name.

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    finitebanjo
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    #166

    Ah yeah sure, taxing the rich, removing money from politics, making healthcare and bodily autonomy a human right, all such right ideals. /sarcasm

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    • A alcoholicorn@mander.xyz

      They both support Donald Trump, for example.

      lmao what?

      They both enable ethnostates to send minorities to camps.

      lmao what?

      They believe in a nation ruled by one supreme absolute leader.

      Dictatorship of the proletariat doesn’t mean total rule by one dude named proletariat, it means total rule by the people.

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      kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Dictatorship of the proletariat doesn’t mean total rule by one dude named proletariat, it means total rule by the people.

      Tankies want a vanguard of the best brightest to lead and educate the proletariat into a new “socialist” future. Conveniently, the best and brightest happens to be them and their homies.

      They also just so happen to have a new vision of socialist utopianism of you working in a sweat shop for 14 hours a day and eating rationed food while they sip fine wines and write bullshit very online mutants will recite as scripture in the future.

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      • N nalivai@lemmy.world

        Thanks for the grasroots money, this small group is actually very loud. The loudest of them all. They maintain the illusion that communism is when you like Russia, and that’s their entire purpose

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        flying_sheep@lemmy.ml
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        #168

        The fuck are you babbling

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        • T trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world

          Can I be a leftist without being a tankie then?

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          kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Absolutely. There are numerous strains of leftist philosophy that are anti-authoritarian.

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            kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            “I think we need a mixture of both!”, he shouts while be loaded into a cattle car.

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            • A alcoholicorn@mander.xyz

              Liberals perceive criticism for enabling the right and opposing the left at every opportunity as left in-fighting.

              The left identifies the liberals as part of the right.

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              #171

              Right of what?

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              • F finitebanjo

                They run TikTok among many other CCP funded operations, I wouldn’t disregard them personally.

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                frostedtrailblazer@lemmy.zip
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                #172

                You’re not wrong. Many of them are exposed to propaganda on TikTok and it is a growing issue. Espionage is being done to divide the left and consolidate the right. Just because it’s not as noticeable as the propaganda from the right doesn’t mean that it’s not having subtle effects. If it gets people to disengage or not look out for their best interests then it is effective. All this to say, there is a way to bring about positive change and that has to do with being involved locally.

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                • K kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                  Dictatorship of the proletariat doesn’t mean total rule by one dude named proletariat, it means total rule by the people.

                  Tankies want a vanguard of the best brightest to lead and educate the proletariat into a new “socialist” future. Conveniently, the best and brightest happens to be them and their homies.

                  They also just so happen to have a new vision of socialist utopianism of you working in a sweat shop for 14 hours a day and eating rationed food while they sip fine wines and write bullshit very online mutants will recite as scripture in the future.

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                  alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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                  #173

                  Instead of listening to anticommunists from a century ago, why don’t we compare what communists have done in China over 50 years to their neighbor, India? One of those countries exports food for a profit while the children of the laborers who picked that food suffer from malnutrition. Or why don’t we look at life expectancy in Cuba today and before the revolution. You can even compare Cuba to their capitalist ruled neighbors.

                  To quote Michael Parenti:

                  If Communists, if we Leftists, if we Marxists, if we revolutionaries, if we progressives, if we—all we want is to hunger for power, then why do we side with the powerless? Then why don’t we toady up to power? Why don’t we take the road of the Henry Kissingers and the Patrick—Daniel Patrick Moynihans and the Zbigniew Brzezinskis and the Eugene V. Rostows and the McGeorge Bundys, who toady up and mouth for power? When Henry Kissinger was made National Security Advisor for Richard Nixon, Nelson Rockefeller gave him fifty-thousand bucks as a going-away present.

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                  • F finitebanjo

                    Thank you for being a perfect example of the point I was making, enjoy your dead minorities and your roads paved in the blood of the innocent.

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                    alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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                    #174

                    Ah yes, if you oppose capitalism too much, you just start hating minorities. That’s just horseshoe theory. They wouldn’t teach it in schools if it wasn’t true.

                    Definitely don’t come to China, Vietnam, or Cuba and check for yourself, just trust your government.

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                    • A alcoholicorn@mander.xyz

                      Ah yes, if you oppose capitalism too much, you just start hating minorities. That’s just horseshoe theory. They wouldn’t teach it in schools if it wasn’t true.

                      Definitely don’t come to China, Vietnam, or Cuba and check for yourself, just trust your government.

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                      finitebanjo
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                      Honestly wouldn’t go there if you paid me, but I respect the journalists brave enough to do so.

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                      • F finitebanjo

                        Honestly wouldn’t go there if you paid me, but I respect the journalists brave enough to do so.

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                        alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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                        wouldn’t go there if you paid me

                        Why? Vietnam is beautiful, experiencing towns built around bikes instead of cars and being able to buy good meal for 1.20 USD is good for your soul. China is the most developed country in the world right now, and I’m planning to go back in a month or so. I haven’t been, but I hear Cuba has lovely beaches and rum.

                        Were you under the impression these places were dangerous?

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                        • A alcoholicorn@mander.xyz

                          wouldn’t go there if you paid me

                          Why? Vietnam is beautiful, experiencing towns built around bikes instead of cars and being able to buy good meal for 1.20 USD is good for your soul. China is the most developed country in the world right now, and I’m planning to go back in a month or so. I haven’t been, but I hear Cuba has lovely beaches and rum.

                          Were you under the impression these places were dangerous?

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                          finitebanjo
                          wrote last edited by finitebanjo@piefed.world
                          #177

                          It’s a single party autocracy with a very bloody history involving the west. Even if being abducted, tortured, and buried in an unmarked grave is the exception to the rule, it’s still a hell of a lot more likely than a progressive nation.

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                          • F finitebanjo

                            It’s a single party autocracy with a very bloody history involving the west. Even if being abducted, tortured, and buried in an unmarked grave is the exception to the rule, it’s still a hell of a lot more likely than a progressive nation.

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                            alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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                            #178

                            That’s a bizarre claim to make when America has been abducting people, torturing them, and vanishing them, without due process for decades, and I am not aware of such a case happening in any of those 3 countries. Except in 2012, when China caught the CIA’s spy network and charged them with espionage.

                            As far as the bloody history goes, the blood is only on the hands of the side that invaded and subjugated them. Also the people here in vietnam are way less bitter about the war, despite having a much better understanding of what happened than the average american.

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                            • F finitebanjo

                              Ah yeah sure, taxing the rich, removing money from politics, making healthcare and bodily autonomy a human right, all such right ideals. /sarcasm

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                              obi@sopuli.xyz
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                              I don’t think any of this happened last time the democrats were in charge? Or any other time before that. Seen from Europe, democrats are definitely right of center, just less so than republicans.

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                              • A alcoholicorn@mander.xyz

                                That’s a bizarre claim to make when America has been abducting people, torturing them, and vanishing them, without due process for decades, and I am not aware of such a case happening in any of those 3 countries. Except in 2012, when China caught the CIA’s spy network and charged them with espionage.

                                As far as the bloody history goes, the blood is only on the hands of the side that invaded and subjugated them. Also the people here in vietnam are way less bitter about the war, despite having a much better understanding of what happened than the average american.

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                                finitebanjo
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                                Sounds like whataboutism. I don’t really recommend vising the USA. Maybe you should have higher standards than “very unlikely (citation needed) to be abducted and murdered by authoritarians”.

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                                • obi@sopuli.xyzO obi@sopuli.xyz

                                  I don’t think any of this happened last time the democrats were in charge? Or any other time before that. Seen from Europe, democrats are definitely right of center, just less so than republicans.

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                                  finitebanjo
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                                  #181

                                  The DNC haven’t had more than 48 senate seats in over ten years, and just before that they expanded medicaid to tens of millions of americans.

                                  Taxing the Rich was the Harris Campaign, with promise of a unrealized capital gains tax for earners over $1M USD, and enshrining Roe V. Wade as well as many other things in the list require defeating fillibuster, but even if the senate had changed the rules to bypass fillibuster: only 48 seats.

                                  Quality of life has declined in the USA and progress has stagnated. And I know why. Only 48 seats.

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                                  • F finitebanjo

                                    Sounds like whataboutism. I don’t really recommend vising the USA. Maybe you should have higher standards than “very unlikely (citation needed) to be abducted and murdered by authoritarians”.

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                                    alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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                                    I just defaulted to USA because it’s where I and (I think) most lemmitors are from.

                                    In any case, it’s trivial not to get abducted and murdered, simply don’t commit espionage.

                                    It’s weird that you only single non-western countries out when most countries treat espionage pretty seriously.

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                                    • F finitebanjo

                                      The DNC haven’t had more than 48 senate seats in over ten years, and just before that they expanded medicaid to tens of millions of americans.

                                      Taxing the Rich was the Harris Campaign, with promise of a unrealized capital gains tax for earners over $1M USD, and enshrining Roe V. Wade as well as many other things in the list require defeating fillibuster, but even if the senate had changed the rules to bypass fillibuster: only 48 seats.

                                      Quality of life has declined in the USA and progress has stagnated. And I know why. Only 48 seats.

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                                      obi@sopuli.xyz
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                                      #183

                                      All I’m saying is everything is further to the right in the US. These things you listed aren’t even partisan issues here, they’re just normal things. But I see you’re just downvoting and arguing so I’ll be on way cheers.

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                                      • obi@sopuli.xyzO obi@sopuli.xyz

                                        All I’m saying is everything is further to the right in the US. These things you listed aren’t even partisan issues here, they’re just normal things. But I see you’re just downvoting and arguing so I’ll be on way cheers.

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                                        finitebanjo
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                                        I just don’t see it as anything other than bad optics. The DNC policy is very left, if we gave them 60 senators for the first time since 1979 then the USA could become something envied by Europe.

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                                        • A alcoholicorn@mander.xyz

                                          I just defaulted to USA because it’s where I and (I think) most lemmitors are from.

                                          In any case, it’s trivial not to get abducted and murdered, simply don’t commit espionage.

                                          It’s weird that you only single non-western countries out when most countries treat espionage pretty seriously.

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                                          finitebanjo
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                                          #185

                                          You are not the one who will decide if you are a spy. Do not place your destiny in the hands of proven liars and murderers.

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