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  • T tippy@sh.itjust.works

    So you’re leaving the US, considering you’re an illegal immigrant here right? I mean, unless you’re indigenous it seems pretty illegal for you to claim any right to live here and boot others out. See the issue with saying people are illegal?

    “Living on the governments tit” is straight up right-winger bullshit. We pay taxes, why the fuck should the government hoard that money and use it on shit that doesn’t benefit the people? That is the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of a government, to pool resources and skills to better society as a whole.

    You think science is bullshit and that higher education should be “creatively” destroyed. How you think that isn’t fascism is some serious mental gymnastics.

    You could continue, but you know your viewpoint is hard right and you’re too cowardly to stick around and defend your bullshit because your fragile fee-fees will be hurt.

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    NoneOfUrBusiness
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    “Living on the governments tit” is straight up right-winger bullshit. We pay taxes, why the fuck should the government hoard that money and use it on shit that doesn’t benefit the people? That is the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of a government, to pool resources and skills to better society as a whole.

    True on your other points, but here they’re saying the money should be given to employees rather than employers. That’s not rightwing at all; it’s leftwing if anything. I mean it’s the farming version of being anti-corporate welfare.

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      tippy@sh.itjust.works
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      Sure, that had a semblance of socialism and rational thought to it, but the fact that they spin it as a negative and imply that the government shouldn’t be funding social welfare is pretty clear in showing that they’re too ignorant to actually understand what socialism is.

      Ironic, considering that right-wingers more than any other group rely on sucking the governments tit to survive day to day

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        plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
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        Exactly. I think government and corporations exist to generate wealth to benefit society. Right now it exists to benefit corporations.

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        • T tippy@sh.itjust.works

          So you’re leaving the US, considering you’re an illegal immigrant here right? I mean, unless you’re indigenous it seems pretty illegal for you to claim any right to live here and boot others out. See the issue with saying people are illegal?

          “Living on the governments tit” is straight up right-winger bullshit. We pay taxes, why the fuck should the government hoard that money and use it on shit that doesn’t benefit the people? That is the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of a government, to pool resources and skills to better society as a whole.

          You think science is bullshit and that higher education should be “creatively” destroyed. How you think that isn’t fascism is some serious mental gymnastics.

          You could continue, but you know your viewpoint is hard right and you’re too cowardly to stick around and defend your bullshit because your fragile fee-fees will be hurt.

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          plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
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          Free open borders doesn’t work unless everyone, literally everyone is working on the same legal framework . This could be good long term project for humanity but as it stands right now now, national divisions matter. You can’t have people that weren’t born here overwhelming our nation and getting aid when our own people are suffering economic hardship. The problem with people like you is that you want everything now, and that’s not possible except through extreme violence and often ends up not solving the problems. I would love to be able to remake the system from the top down, but we know that never ends right.

          I don’t think science is bullshit, I think non reroducible experiments are not science. I love science, but the social sciences in the present exist in the same stage of development as medicine was in the Middle Ages. This is a provable fact. Universities need to be centers of knowledge again and not job training centers.

          Like someone pointed out, I said corporations are living off the government tit, that’s a fact. I would prefer if the tit was feeding us instead. I think I made it very clear that I’m pro social safety nets.

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            plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
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            Fascism has an established definition. Hell there’s a literal manifesto

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            • T tippy@sh.itjust.works

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              trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world
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              Can I be a leftist without being a tankie then?

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                jaupsinluggies@feddit.uk
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                Six strawmen in a single post! Well done, that must be some kind of record!

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                  Devolution
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                  It’s not a bell curve. It’s a trumpet headed to the right.

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                  • T tippy@sh.itjust.works

                    Sure, that had a semblance of socialism and rational thought to it, but the fact that they spin it as a negative and imply that the government shouldn’t be funding social welfare is pretty clear in showing that they’re too ignorant to actually understand what socialism is.

                    Ironic, considering that right-wingers more than any other group rely on sucking the governments tit to survive day to day

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                    NoneOfUrBusiness
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                    First, they’re not claiming to be socialist. Second, they’re criticizing corporate welfare, not social welfare. They support social welfare in the exact same comment. Rich pricks sucking on the government’s tit and providing nothing to society is a bad thing, or at least the leftwing position considers it to be a bad thing. Are you even reading what they wrote?

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                    • J jaupsinluggies@feddit.uk

                      Six strawmen in a single post! Well done, that must be some kind of record!

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                      zombifrancis@sh.itjust.works
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                      It is clever, you see, that any disagreement must be done online, therefore reinforcing the premise of the meme.

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                      • DiplomjodlerD Diplomjodler

                        The enlightened centrism is strong in this one. No, the US don’t have a conflict of left vs. right. The conflict is between the right and everyone else. And most of the right are just rubes who think they being part of some kind of movement but in reality are just being fleeced by a bunch of grifters

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                        xanthobilly@lemmy.world
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                        Grifters? They’re hellbent on christofascism.

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                          tippy@sh.itjust.works
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                          First, I never said they were a socialist. Pretty clear they aren’t, not sure where you’re going with that. Second, they’re criticizing the government using tax dollars to ensure we have functional agriculture. Cutting funding for agriculture and giving the funding to corporations instead is literally being carried out by the regime, as shown in project 2025 and with doge cuts.

                          But sure, we can just assume it’s a coincidence that they agree with the fascists on that.

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                          • P plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works

                            Free open borders doesn’t work unless everyone, literally everyone is working on the same legal framework . This could be good long term project for humanity but as it stands right now now, national divisions matter. You can’t have people that weren’t born here overwhelming our nation and getting aid when our own people are suffering economic hardship. The problem with people like you is that you want everything now, and that’s not possible except through extreme violence and often ends up not solving the problems. I would love to be able to remake the system from the top down, but we know that never ends right.

                            I don’t think science is bullshit, I think non reroducible experiments are not science. I love science, but the social sciences in the present exist in the same stage of development as medicine was in the Middle Ages. This is a provable fact. Universities need to be centers of knowledge again and not job training centers.

                            Like someone pointed out, I said corporations are living off the government tit, that’s a fact. I would prefer if the tit was feeding us instead. I think I made it very clear that I’m pro social safety nets.

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                            tippy@sh.itjust.works
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                            1. Our nation is not overwhelmed with immigrants stealing our jobs and resources, as much as fox news has convinced you that is the case. It’s in fact fascists and capitalists doing that, not that I expect you understand the difference between the working class and capiltalist class.The problem with you people, to use your phrasing, is you think there are MS13 members on every block shooting Americans and taking their paychecks, but “the left” is covering it up.

                            2. You keep saying there are studies and provable facts showing science is fake. Let’s see it, show us your peer reviewed sources showing us how fake science is.

                            3. You did not say corporations. You said farms. Should I quote it back to you? Here: “But farms are already inefficient, corrupt, and mismanaged and also living on the government tits”. No coincidence that the Trump regime says the same shit and is cutting agriculture funding and instead lining billionaire pockets, which brings us back to point one. Though I’d imagine you think the leftist immigrants are also the CEOs

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                            • T trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world

                              Can I be a leftist without being a tankie then?

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                              theminister@sh.itjust.works
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                              Try anarchism. Goes down smooth

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                              • T trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world

                                Can I be a leftist without being a tankie then?

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                                tippy@sh.itjust.works
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                                Yes? You do realize tankies are a minority group and that in many nations “leftist” is just a normal political position?

                                I’m honestly not sure what you’re trying to say here

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                                • J jaupsinluggies@feddit.uk

                                  Six strawmen in a single post! Well done, that must be some kind of record!

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                                  tippy@sh.itjust.works
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                                  Reeeeeeeeeee I spouted centrist nonsense in a leftist space and I’m getting ratio’d reeeeeee

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                                  • T tippy@sh.itjust.works

                                    Yes? You do realize tankies are a minority group and that in many nations “leftist” is just a normal political position?

                                    I’m honestly not sure what you’re trying to say here

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                                    trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world
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                                    To me it looks like you’re trying to paint everyone who’s not a Nazi or a tankie as an ‘enlightened centrist’.

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                                    • G glide@lemmy.ca

                                      Trying to pretend that there’s a concerted far-left effort to create civil war in 'Murica is patently absurd

                                      Idk man, I spent altogether too much time over in .ml, and now my view on what is “far left” has changed quite drastically. And that group certainly seems hell bent on starting a civil war.

                                      There are absolutely far more MAGAs, but the tankies are, unfortunately, still far left.

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                                      astutemural@midwest.social
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                                      Bruh there’s like a triple-digit number of tankies in all of North America lmao. Meanwhile half of the USA is MAGA. If you need to visualize this, go look for literally any act of violence motivated by far-left beliefs. There’s what, like two in the last 30 years? Claiming any sort of equivalence between MAGA and the left is just false.

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                                      • F fridaysteve@lemmy.world

                                        People need something else to focus on. When everything is politics then politics is everything and it’s stupidly difficult to get people interested in doing anything positive.

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                                        astutemural@midwest.social
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                                        It’s hard to avoid politics when giving kids lunch at school is fucking political for some reason.

                                        There is a group to blame for politicizing everything, and it is disingenuous to blame ‘people’ in general instead of that group in particular.

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                                        • T trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world

                                          To me it looks like you’re trying to paint everyone who’s not a Nazi or a tankie as an ‘enlightened centrist’.

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                                          tippy@sh.itjust.works
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                                          🤷 try glasses

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