Political discourse

Free open borders doesn’t work unless everyone, literally everyone is working on the same legal framework . This could be good long term project for humanity but as it stands right now now, national divisions matter. You can’t have people that weren’t born here overwhelming our nation and getting aid when our own people are suffering economic hardship. The problem with people like you is that you want everything now, and that’s not possible except through extreme violence and often ends up not solving the problems. I would love to be able to remake the system from the top down, but we know that never ends right.

I don’t think science is bullshit, I think non reroducible experiments are not science. I love science, but the social sciences in the present exist in the same stage of development as medicine was in the Middle Ages. This is a provable fact. Universities need to be centers of knowledge again and not job training centers.

Like someone pointed out, I said corporations are living off the government tit, that’s a fact. I would prefer if the tit was feeding us instead. I think I made it very clear that I’m pro social safety nets.

Fascism has an established definition. Hell there’s a literal manifesto

Can I be a leftist without being a tankie then?

Six strawmen in a single post! Well done, that must be some kind of record!

It’s not a bell curve. It’s a trumpet headed to the right.

First, they’re not claiming to be socialist. Second, they’re criticizing corporate welfare, not social welfare. They support social welfare in the exact same comment. Rich pricks sucking on the government’s tit and providing nothing to society is a bad thing, or at least the leftwing position considers it to be a bad thing. Are you even reading what they wrote?

It is clever, you see, that any disagreement must be done online, therefore reinforcing the premise of the meme.

Grifters? They’re hellbent on christofascism.

First, I never said they were a socialist. Pretty clear they aren’t, not sure where you’re going with that. Second, they’re criticizing the government using tax dollars to ensure we have functional agriculture. Cutting funding for agriculture and giving the funding to corporations instead is literally being carried out by the regime, as shown in project 2025 and with doge cuts.

But sure, we can just assume it’s a coincidence that they agree with the fascists on that.

1. Our nation is not overwhelmed with immigrants stealing our jobs and resources, as much as fox news has convinced you that is the case. It’s in fact fascists and capitalists doing that, not that I expect you understand the difference between the working class and capiltalist class.The problem with you people, to use your phrasing, is you think there are MS13 members on every block shooting Americans and taking their paychecks, but “the left” is covering it up.

2. You keep saying there are studies and provable facts showing science is fake. Let’s see it, show us your peer reviewed sources showing us how fake science is.

3. You did not say corporations. You said farms. Should I quote it back to you? Here: “But farms are already inefficient, corrupt, and mismanaged and also living on the government tits”. No coincidence that the Trump regime says the same shit and is cutting agriculture funding and instead lining billionaire pockets, which brings us back to point one. Though I’d imagine you think the leftist immigrants are also the CEOs

Try anarchism. Goes down smooth

Yes? You do realize tankies are a minority group and that in many nations “leftist” is just a normal political position?

I’m honestly not sure what you’re trying to say here

Reeeeeeeeeee I spouted centrist nonsense in a leftist space and I’m getting ratio’d reeeeeee

To me it looks like you’re trying to paint everyone who’s not a Nazi or a tankie as an ‘enlightened centrist’.

Bruh there’s like a triple-digit number of tankies in all of North America lmao. Meanwhile half of the USA is MAGA. If you need to visualize this, go look for literally any act of violence motivated by far-left beliefs. There’s what, like two in the last 30 years? Claiming any sort of equivalence between MAGA and the left is just false.

It’s hard to avoid politics when giving kids lunch at school is fucking political for some reason.

There is a group to blame for politicizing everything, and it is disingenuous to blame ‘people’ in general instead of that group in particular.

try glasses

1. I don’t think that, but I do know that if 1 singe American is having a hard time while we are helping 1 illegal immigrant, then we are doing something wrong and it will breed resentment.

2. You are a bad faith argumenter. I’ve never said science is fake, I’ve said that social science (though it also happens in the natural sciences to a lesser degree) is not really science, not with any degree of certainty as physics etc. here’s a little summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis?wprov=sfti1

but searching in Google Scholar or JSTOR will bring up many many studies about the problem. So when people say “the science backs this” using a social science study that is not replicable, it takes two brain cells to realize that no, there is no science backing such a claim.

3. Yes I also meant farms which are also very often corporations. And that’s what I said in my very first comment, the Trump administration says a lot of things that are right (they say a lot more that are wrong but they are not wrong about everything ), but they use it to serve their interests instead of actually solving the problems. Farmers are the biggest enemies of any of the solutions to many of the problems in America, we should nationalize the whole industry at this point because it cannot exist without government subsidies and yet they use the money to lobby against environmental and immigration reforms. They like the status quo. But if you don’t want to nationalize them we can stop subsidizing them and simply subsidize their wages directly in such a way that they can pay living wages instead of relying on immigrant labor.

But again you are arguing in bad faith and I do not think that you have any coherent ideology that isn’t “oppose everything the other guys do”.

Right there it says that there are other measures that led to the reduction in poverty. Here’s my thing, if you increase the minimum wage, don’t change the definition or the line at which someone is considered to be living in poverty, and run a census the next day poverty will appear to have been reduced by a lot because everyone is now making the increased minimum wage yay! However if there’s inflation, in a few more months we might be back to where we were in the first place in real terms, however unless you change the line in which poverty begins, you will still be able to clam that you decreased poverty. Poverty is not about the money someone is making, but rather how much what they make buys.

I’m in favor of social nets but, again, I dont see compelling evidence that raising minimum wage is anything but a placebo.

Then what is it? Because it sure as fuck doesn’t sound right wing but someone just called me right wing because I agree in some points with MAGA.