Political discourse

The enlightened centrism is strong in this one. No, the US don’t have a conflict of left vs. right. The conflict is between the right and everyone else. And most of the right are just rubes who think they being part of some kind of movement but in reality are just being fleeced by a bunch of grifters

Free open borders doesn’t work unless everyone, literally everyone is working on the same legal framework . This could be good long term project for humanity but as it stands right now now, national divisions matter. You can’t have people that weren’t born here overwhelming our nation and getting aid when our own people are suffering economic hardship. The problem with people like you is that you want everything now, and that’s not possible except through extreme violence and often ends up not solving the problems. I would love to be able to remake the system from the top down, but we know that never ends right.

I don’t think science is bullshit, I think non reroducible experiments are not science. I love science, but the social sciences in the present exist in the same stage of development as medicine was in the Middle Ages. This is a provable fact. Universities need to be centers of knowledge again and not job training centers.

Like someone pointed out, I said corporations are living off the government tit, that’s a fact. I would prefer if the tit was feeding us instead. I think I made it very clear that I’m pro social safety nets.

Can I be a leftist without being a tankie then?

Can I be a leftist without being a tankie then?

Six strawmen in a single post! Well done, that must be some kind of record!

Yes? You do realize tankies are a minority group and that in many nations “leftist” is just a normal political position?

I’m honestly not sure what you’re trying to say here

Trying to pretend that there’s a concerted far-left effort to create civil war in 'Murica is patently absurd

Idk man, I spent altogether too much time over in .ml, and now my view on what is “far left” has changed quite drastically. And that group certainly seems hell bent on starting a civil war.

There are absolutely far more MAGAs, but the tankies are, unfortunately, still far left.

People need something else to focus on. When everything is politics then politics is everything and it’s stupidly difficult to get people interested in doing anything positive.

To me it looks like you’re trying to paint everyone who’s not a Nazi or a tankie as an ‘enlightened centrist’.

1. Our nation is not overwhelmed with immigrants stealing our jobs and resources, as much as fox news has convinced you that is the case. It’s in fact fascists and capitalists doing that, not that I expect you understand the difference between the working class and capiltalist class.The problem with you people, to use your phrasing, is you think there are MS13 members on every block shooting Americans and taking their paychecks, but “the left” is covering it up.

2. You keep saying there are studies and provable facts showing science is fake. Let’s see it, show us your peer reviewed sources showing us how fake science is.

3. You did not say corporations. You said farms. Should I quote it back to you? Here: “But farms are already inefficient, corrupt, and mismanaged and also living on the government tits”. No coincidence that the Trump regime says the same shit and is cutting agriculture funding and instead lining billionaire pockets, which brings us back to point one. Though I’d imagine you think the leftist immigrants are also the CEOs

Everything you said here i agree with, yet none of this shit you said is centrist

1. I don’t think that, but I do know that if 1 singe American is having a hard time while we are helping 1 illegal immigrant, then we are doing something wrong and it will breed resentment.

2. You are a bad faith argumenter. I’ve never said science is fake, I’ve said that social science (though it also happens in the natural sciences to a lesser degree) is not really science, not with any degree of certainty as physics etc. here’s a little summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis?wprov=sfti1

but searching in Google Scholar or JSTOR will bring up many many studies about the problem. So when people say “the science backs this” using a social science study that is not replicable, it takes two brain cells to realize that no, there is no science backing such a claim.

3. Yes I also meant farms which are also very often corporations. And that’s what I said in my very first comment, the Trump administration says a lot of things that are right (they say a lot more that are wrong but they are not wrong about everything ), but they use it to serve their interests instead of actually solving the problems. Farmers are the biggest enemies of any of the solutions to many of the problems in America, we should nationalize the whole industry at this point because it cannot exist without government subsidies and yet they use the money to lobby against environmental and immigration reforms. They like the status quo. But if you don’t want to nationalize them we can stop subsidizing them and simply subsidize their wages directly in such a way that they can pay living wages instead of relying on immigrant labor.

But again you are arguing in bad faith and I do not think that you have any coherent ideology that isn’t “oppose everything the other guys do”.

1. I don’t think that, but I do know that if 1 singe American is having a hard time while we are helping 1 illegal immigrant, then we are doing something wrong and it will breed resentment.

2. You are a bad faith argumenter. I’ve never said science is fake, I’ve said that social science (though it also happens in the natural sciences to a lesser degree) is not really science, not with any degree of certainty as physics etc. here’s a little summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis?wprov=sfti1

but searching in Google Scholar or JSTOR will bring up many many studies about the problem. So when people say “the science backs this” using a social science study that is not replicable, it takes two brain cells to realize that no, there is no science backing such a claim.

3. Yes I also meant farms which are also very often corporations. And that’s what I said in my very first comment, the Trump administration says a lot of things that are right (they say a lot more that are wrong but they are not wrong about everything ), but they use it to serve their interests instead of actually solving the problems. Farmers are the biggest enemies of any of the solutions to many of the problems in America, we should nationalize the whole industry at this point because it cannot exist without government subsidies and yet they use the money to lobby against environmental and immigration reforms. They like the status quo. But if you don’t want to nationalize them we can stop subsidizing them and simply subsidize their wages directly in such a way that they can pay living wages instead of relying on immigrant labor.

But again you are arguing in bad faith and I do not think that you have any coherent ideology that isn’t “oppose everything the other guys do”.

Grifters? They’re hellbent on christofascism.

So to sum up:

1. You think punishing immigrants will fix issues caused by capitalists somehow, don’t worry about it they deserve it anyways

2. Whatever sciences you dislike (you keep saying social sciences, which I assume is a dogwhistle for anything you consider woke as you won’t give specifics) are fake, but you can’t prove it, just google it bro, you’ll find the truth

3. You believe the fascist regime is doing a lot of things right

But it’s us leftists that argue in bad faith and have no ideology, and are wrong for opposing things like fascism.

Thanks for playing.

See, the problem is that you think immigrants don’t deserve basic human dignity, while we do. I don’t care if someone is born in Missouri or Mexico City; they both deserve guaranteed access to basic services, and we as a country are more than wealthy enough to provide it.

Not just the right vs. everyone else, the right vs. everyone. The right is also fighting itself.