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The Job Market Is Hell: Young people are using ChatGPT to write their applications; HR is using AI to read them; no one is getting hired.

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    lembot_0004@discuss.online
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    If no one is hired, it means that no one is really needed.

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      its_me_xiphos@beehaw.org
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      Im going to start physical mailings and cold emails. I’m over this job market, its AI/ATS nonsense, and the people who think its OK.

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      • L lembot_0004@discuss.online

        If no one is hired, it means that no one is really needed.

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        Got to keep the illusion that there is a healthy job market otherwise the statistics will crash and show reality.

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        • L lembot_0004@discuss.online

          If no one is hired, it means that no one is really needed.

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          that’s a great notion, but in the process real roles that ARE needed are empty until someone realizes the mistake, or until people die.

          This sounds like overreaction, but what about for EMS services? 911 operations? Emergency room staffing? Nursing? Hospital IT staff?

          Having open positions, or even just insufficiently filled hours, will cause situations where there are huge ramifications.

          Just because someone isn’t hired, doesn’t mean the role isn’t critical and needed… it means there’s consequences if the need is unfilled. There’s dozens (or more!) of medical professionals needed desperately that aren’t being hired, ultimately due to greed (those driving the AI process here) and this results in worse care.

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          • L lembot_0004@discuss.online

            If no one is hired, it means that no one is really needed.

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            t3rmit3@beehaw.org
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            That is a bunch of assumptions right there.

            The reality is that businesses often don’t know when more people are needed, don’t have the correct people making the decisions whether to hire even if needed, can’t get the budgets approved even if the hiring mgmt chain is on board, can’t get approval to offer competitive salaries, etc etc.

            There are a million reasons why companies don’t hire when they need to, or do hire when they don’t.

            Humans aren’t perfectly rational, and can’t create perfectly rational systems.

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              bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip
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              Not to mention we can’t ruffle the feathers of dear leader

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                kwakigra@beehaw.org
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                The actual bubble that needs to be popped is financialization. The US economy is now completely detached from productivity and is now running on speculation only through financial valuation. At the same time, people are starving, infrastructure is falling apart, the birth rate is plummeting, and suicide is on the rise. It’s time to stop taking “job creators” seriously and use all this fallow professional experience and skill to restart the material economy and forget this pretend crap that keeps plutocrats busy doing nothing of any value to anyone.

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                • tenchikenT tenchiken

                  that’s a great notion, but in the process real roles that ARE needed are empty until someone realizes the mistake, or until people die.

                  This sounds like overreaction, but what about for EMS services? 911 operations? Emergency room staffing? Nursing? Hospital IT staff?

                  Having open positions, or even just insufficiently filled hours, will cause situations where there are huge ramifications.

                  Just because someone isn’t hired, doesn’t mean the role isn’t critical and needed… it means there’s consequences if the need is unfilled. There’s dozens (or more!) of medical professionals needed desperately that aren’t being hired, ultimately due to greed (those driving the AI process here) and this results in worse care.

                  rustyshackleford@lemmy.zipR This user is from outside of this forum
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                  rustyshackleford@lemmy.zip
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                  Most hospitals have more on staff for billing than nurses and doctors. It’s a sign the hospital system is far more interested in profits these days. Most of their staff is overworked due to not hiring enough nurses, which is likely intentional.
                  Businesses are trying to see you can skate by with minimal workforce, why not give it a shot; it’s great for profit margins, until people start dying. I’m sure they figure that’s why they have insurance.

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                    SebaDC
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                    Time to make some real connections in the real world.

                    Shit is getting scary.

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                      vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                      Can confirm

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                        belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org
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                        I hate ai

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                        • T t3rmit3@beehaw.org

                          That is a bunch of assumptions right there.

                          The reality is that businesses often don’t know when more people are needed, don’t have the correct people making the decisions whether to hire even if needed, can’t get the budgets approved even if the hiring mgmt chain is on board, can’t get approval to offer competitive salaries, etc etc.

                          There are a million reasons why companies don’t hire when they need to, or do hire when they don’t.

                          Humans aren’t perfectly rational, and can’t create perfectly rational systems.

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                          machinefab812@discuss.tchncs.de
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                          You had me, until the second-half of your last sentence. Its more like we can’t rely on perfectly rational systems, because we don’t comply, neither perfectly nor rationally.

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                            megaman_exe@beehaw.org
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                            I’m pretty sure I’m dealing with burnout. I still likely have like 30-40 years of work ahead of me but I don’t really know what to do anymore.

                            My heart says I need to slow down and do no more than 6 hours of work a day, doing something i actually care about.

                            But my brain says that’s not practical because I need insurance, have people depending on me, and need savings if I want to potentially retire one day.

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                            • L lembot_0004@discuss.online

                              If no one is hired, it means that no one is really needed.

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                              revan343@lemmy.ca
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                              You’ve never worked somewhere that refused to fill a position that desperately needed filling?

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                                midnitte@beehaw.org
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                                Already sort of ruined that

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                                • kwakigra@beehaw.orgK kwakigra@beehaw.org

                                  The actual bubble that needs to be popped is financialization. The US economy is now completely detached from productivity and is now running on speculation only through financial valuation. At the same time, people are starving, infrastructure is falling apart, the birth rate is plummeting, and suicide is on the rise. It’s time to stop taking “job creators” seriously and use all this fallow professional experience and skill to restart the material economy and forget this pretend crap that keeps plutocrats busy doing nothing of any value to anyone.

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                                  teawrecks@sopuli.xyz
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                                  The US economy is now completely detached from productivity and is now running on speculation

                                  Yep, the market feels like it’s in max-greed mode. There was a taste of fear when the tariffs were first announced, but wallst was quick to token TACO to justify just ignoring everything. My question for the last 9+ months has been, “how long can a market willingly ignore reality?”

                                  I assume it will take until a critical mass of those speculators start needing to liquidate. I don’t know what will trigger that, but at some point the profits come due.

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                                  • M machinefab812@discuss.tchncs.de

                                    You had me, until the second-half of your last sentence. Its more like we can’t rely on perfectly rational systems, because we don’t comply, neither perfectly nor rationally.

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                                    t3rmit3@beehaw.org
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                                    We can’t create them either. Think of any system you think is perfectly rational, and then ask yourself by what standard its rationality is determined.

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                                    • R revan343@lemmy.ca

                                      You’ve never worked somewhere that refused to fill a position that desperately needed filling?

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                                      empireoflove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                      Yeah but the business is still operating, right? No matter that it’s ruining the work quality of those who are left, if things are still working then it means you can cut that position. So much efficiency of the open market!

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                                      • rustyshackleford@lemmy.zipR rustyshackleford@lemmy.zip

                                        Most hospitals have more on staff for billing than nurses and doctors. It’s a sign the hospital system is far more interested in profits these days. Most of their staff is overworked due to not hiring enough nurses, which is likely intentional.
                                        Businesses are trying to see you can skate by with minimal workforce, why not give it a shot; it’s great for profit margins, until people start dying. I’m sure they figure that’s why they have insurance.

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                                        tenchiken
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                                        Yep, agree with all this.

                                        It doesn’t detract from the fact that not hiring is still a cause for the situation deteriorating. Some of the businesses are using AI as the vehicle to refuse hiring while yelling about nobody wanting to work.

                                        ultimately, AI is just another tool in this case for the rich to continue enriching while maximizing profit.

                                        I hate it.

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                                        • rustyshackleford@lemmy.zipR rustyshackleford@lemmy.zip

                                          Most hospitals have more on staff for billing than nurses and doctors. It’s a sign the hospital system is far more interested in profits these days. Most of their staff is overworked due to not hiring enough nurses, which is likely intentional.
                                          Businesses are trying to see you can skate by with minimal workforce, why not give it a shot; it’s great for profit margins, until people start dying. I’m sure they figure that’s why they have insurance.

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                                          HobbitFoot
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                                          It is easier to hire a billing specialist instead of a nurse.

                                          There are a lot of positions out there that, due to education and experience requirements, the industry can’t fill.

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