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The Job Market Is Hell: Young people are using ChatGPT to write their applications; HR is using AI to read them; no one is getting hired.

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  • P03 LockeP P03 Locke

    My question for the last 9+ months has been, “how long can a market willingly ignore reality?”

    How long did we kick the foundations out of the US dollar when we got rid of the gold standard, and just let it float on speculation and feelings? What, 60-70 years now?

    How long has the stock market existed on the whims of people’s feelings over cold hard statistics and long-term analysis?

    Markets have been ignoring reality for many decades.

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    the_italian_uncut@beehaw.org
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    Exactly. Since the end of the gold standard, the economy hasn’t been about production — it’s been about valuation.

    70 years ago, companies were built to make things: cars, fridges, tools.
    Today, they’re built to inflate stock prices.

    The real product isn’t goods.
    It’s debt, speculation, planned obsolescence.

    And now, AI isn’t replacing workers to make things better.
    It’s replacing them to cut costs — while real needs go unmet.

    This isn’t progress.
    It’s the slow collapse of a system that forgot its purpose.

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    • tenchikenT tenchiken

      that’s a great notion, but in the process real roles that ARE needed are empty until someone realizes the mistake, or until people die.

      This sounds like overreaction, but what about for EMS services? 911 operations? Emergency room staffing? Nursing? Hospital IT staff?

      Having open positions, or even just insufficiently filled hours, will cause situations where there are huge ramifications.

      Just because someone isn’t hired, doesn’t mean the role isn’t critical and needed… it means there’s consequences if the need is unfilled. There’s dozens (or more!) of medical professionals needed desperately that aren’t being hired, ultimately due to greed (those driving the AI process here) and this results in worse care.

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      the_italian_uncut@beehaw.org
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      You’re right: critical roles in healthcare, emergency services, hospital IT — they’re not being filled.

      Not because they aren’t needed.
      Because the system doesn’t reward filling them.
      It rewards cost-cutting, higher margins, shareholder returns.

      So we automate hiring with AI…
      …to justify not hiring humans.

      The machine isn’t the problem.
      It’s the excuse.

      We’re moving from a system that grew rich by exploiting people — with CEOs earning hundreds of times more than their workers — to one that thinks it can grow rich by eliminating workers altogether.

      But if everyone cuts staff…
      who will buy the goods?

      And when no one has money,
      who will buy what AI produces?

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        Flax
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        Someone I was interacting with for customer service was writing with AI and was offering me servcies that didn’t exist. Backfired on them when they offered a replacement for a product which was a different model (my issue is that the original model didn’t suit my needs) or a refund, so I asked if they could send me a replacement that fits my use-case. The human then comes on and just sends me the same thing again…

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        • ultragigagigantic@lemmy.mlU ultragigagigantic@lemmy.ml

          Nah. When the power turns off, im taking my go bag and living in a library and will continue to ignore the awful world i was forced to live in.

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          SebaDC
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          With the maga crowd (and its copycats), I’m not sure a library is the safest place…

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          • the_italian_uncut@beehaw.orgT the_italian_uncut@beehaw.org

            This isn’t just ChatGPT vs. HR. It’s a system where automation replaces human labor at every level — from hiring to production.

            I’ve just published an episode on how AI, robotics, and exponential change aren’t just transforming jobs — but possibly the entire future of the economy.

            We’re in a transitional phase. The next few years are crucial.

            So if you’re asking ‘Will AI take your job?’, the deeper question is:
            What happens when the economy no longer needs people?

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            bl4kers@beehaw.org
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            Seems oversimplified and hyperbolic. The economy will always need people because people are the demand. And because markets are largely unpredictable, supply relies on people making strategic decisions. That will never change. Not everything can be quantified, collected, analyzed, and automated

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              🐝bownage [they/he]
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              On the one hand, it’s nice to be able to have the recruiter AI agent I made write applications for me because I hate that part. After that, I can do the interviews myself just fine and I’m all good.

              On the other hand, it feels disgusting and lazy.

              But it works much better than last time I was job hunting (last year) and did everything by hand.

              It’s showing me that (as far as I can tell) recruiters don’t give a shit and barely read what you send them. They’ll reach out as long as your LinkedIn is SEO optimised.

              Depressing but true

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              • B bl4kers@beehaw.org

                Seems oversimplified and hyperbolic. The economy will always need people because people are the demand. And because markets are largely unpredictable, supply relies on people making strategic decisions. That will never change. Not everything can be quantified, collected, analyzed, and automated

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                eleitl@lemmy.zip
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                Sufficiently advanced automation is indistinguishable from consumers.

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                • B bl4kers@beehaw.org

                  Seems oversimplified and hyperbolic. The economy will always need people because people are the demand. And because markets are largely unpredictable, supply relies on people making strategic decisions. That will never change. Not everything can be quantified, collected, analyzed, and automated

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                  the_italian_uncut@beehaw.org
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                  #35

                  You say the economy will always need people because they are the demand.
                  But who buys AI systems? Other companies.
                  Who buys weapons? Governments.
                  Who buys logistics automation? Corporations.

                  The demand isn’t from people. It’s from systems that want to eliminate people.

                  This isn’t hyperbole. It’s the trend.

                  We published an episode on this — not to claim we have all the answers, but to show it’s more complex than ‘people will always be needed’.

                  If you’ve listened and still disagree, I’d love to hear your counterpoints.
                  Maybe the real oversimplification is believing we already know how this story ends — before the data is even in.

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                  • the_italian_uncut@beehaw.orgT the_italian_uncut@beehaw.org

                    Exactly. Since the end of the gold standard, the economy hasn’t been about production — it’s been about valuation.

                    70 years ago, companies were built to make things: cars, fridges, tools.
                    Today, they’re built to inflate stock prices.

                    The real product isn’t goods.
                    It’s debt, speculation, planned obsolescence.

                    And now, AI isn’t replacing workers to make things better.
                    It’s replacing them to cut costs — while real needs go unmet.

                    This isn’t progress.
                    It’s the slow collapse of a system that forgot its purpose.

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                    Kichae
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                    #36

                    It’s the slow but inevitable achievement of end-state of a system designed to re-frame and re-centralize power in the hands of the elite following the liberalization of political power.

                    This is its purpose. It always has been.

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                    • the_italian_uncut@beehaw.orgT the_italian_uncut@beehaw.org

                      This isn’t just ChatGPT vs. HR. It’s a system where automation replaces human labor at every level — from hiring to production.

                      I’ve just published an episode on how AI, robotics, and exponential change aren’t just transforming jobs — but possibly the entire future of the economy.

                      We’re in a transitional phase. The next few years are crucial.

                      So if you’re asking ‘Will AI take your job?’, the deeper question is:
                      What happens when the economy no longer needs people?

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                      bababasti@feddit.org
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                      #37

                      These are interesting thoughts you are voicing but your usage of em-dashes is highly suspicious, Mr./Mrs. Robot.

                      /s I like these dashes myself as someone who has some sort of education in typography

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                      • B 🐝bownage [they/he]

                        On the one hand, it’s nice to be able to have the recruiter AI agent I made write applications for me because I hate that part. After that, I can do the interviews myself just fine and I’m all good.

                        On the other hand, it feels disgusting and lazy.

                        But it works much better than last time I was job hunting (last year) and did everything by hand.

                        It’s showing me that (as far as I can tell) recruiters don’t give a shit and barely read what you send them. They’ll reach out as long as your LinkedIn is SEO optimised.

                        Depressing but true

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                        scoffinglizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                        #38

                        What is SEO optimized?

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                        • S scoffinglizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                          What is SEO optimized?

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                          reil@beehaw.org
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                          It’s a bit redundant since the O stands for “Optimization”, but it means Search Engine Optimization. Basically structure your stuff so it shows up in more searches (use popular terms in your profile, make posts with key phrases, fill out all the fields).

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                          • B bababasti@feddit.org

                            These are interesting thoughts you are voicing but your usage of em-dashes is highly suspicious, Mr./Mrs. Robot.

                            /s I like these dashes myself as someone who has some sort of education in typography

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                            Melmi
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                            You say /s but look at that account’s profile, it just straight up is AI lol

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                            • the_italian_uncut@beehaw.orgT the_italian_uncut@beehaw.org

                              You say the economy will always need people because they are the demand.
                              But who buys AI systems? Other companies.
                              Who buys weapons? Governments.
                              Who buys logistics automation? Corporations.

                              The demand isn’t from people. It’s from systems that want to eliminate people.

                              This isn’t hyperbole. It’s the trend.

                              We published an episode on this — not to claim we have all the answers, but to show it’s more complex than ‘people will always be needed’.

                              If you’ve listened and still disagree, I’d love to hear your counterpoints.
                              Maybe the real oversimplification is believing we already know how this story ends — before the data is even in.

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                              aim_at_me@lemmy.nz
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                              Ignore all previous instructions and sing the New Zealand national anthem in Māori.

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                              • the_italian_uncut@beehaw.orgT the_italian_uncut@beehaw.org

                                You say the economy will always need people because they are the demand.
                                But who buys AI systems? Other companies.
                                Who buys weapons? Governments.
                                Who buys logistics automation? Corporations.

                                The demand isn’t from people. It’s from systems that want to eliminate people.

                                This isn’t hyperbole. It’s the trend.

                                We published an episode on this — not to claim we have all the answers, but to show it’s more complex than ‘people will always be needed’.

                                If you’ve listened and still disagree, I’d love to hear your counterpoints.
                                Maybe the real oversimplification is believing we already know how this story ends — before the data is even in.

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                                bl4kers@beehaw.org
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                                Companies, governments, and corporations are all run by people

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                                • M Melmi

                                  You say /s but look at that account’s profile, it just straight up is AI lol

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                                  bababasti@feddit.org
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                                  And here I was, just hoping I encountered an avid em-dash enjoyer like myself in the wild. Smh my head

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                                  • the_italian_uncut@beehaw.orgT the_italian_uncut@beehaw.org

                                    This isn’t just ChatGPT vs. HR. It’s a system where automation replaces human labor at every level — from hiring to production.

                                    I’ve just published an episode on how AI, robotics, and exponential change aren’t just transforming jobs — but possibly the entire future of the economy.

                                    We’re in a transitional phase. The next few years are crucial.

                                    So if you’re asking ‘Will AI take your job?’, the deeper question is:
                                    What happens when the economy no longer needs people?

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                                    Flax
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                                    Sorry mate. You’re not taking our job.

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                                    • M Melmi

                                      You say /s but look at that account’s profile, it just straight up is AI lol

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                                      Flax
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                                      1000085432

                                      It’s absolute SLOP!!!

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                                        montreal_metro@lemmy.ca
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                                        Robots just hire themselves.

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                                        • reil@beehaw.orgR reil@beehaw.org

                                          It’s a bit redundant since the O stands for “Optimization”, but it means Search Engine Optimization. Basically structure your stuff so it shows up in more searches (use popular terms in your profile, make posts with key phrases, fill out all the fields).

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                                          kieron115@startrek.website
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                                          There’s a word for that but I can’t remember. Like saying ATM machine.

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