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  • darkfuture@lemmy.worldD darkfuture@lemmy.world

    Anyone that’s read about the lead-up to WW2 or, well, any historical instance of fascism gaining political control over a country knows that they’re going to keep pushing. They’re going to keep targeting the left. They’re going to ram through executive orders to oppress the left. They’re going to get the SC to make decisions against the left. They’re going to label nebulous entities like ANTIFA (when’s the last time you saw an ANTIFA gathering) as terrorist organizations. They’re going to end up openly calling for genocide. It’s going to happen.

    So I implore everyone to arm themselves and form networks with likeminded people. You do not want to start doing this after it’s too late. If you need motivation, start reading up on 1930s Germany (the similarities are undeniable) and follow up with a list of WW2 atrocities. There’s definitely a WIKI page for it.

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    gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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    Imperial Japan is the only country in modern history to become a Fascist Theocracy. Under Project 2025, the USA is following a similar path. I always pointed to Germany, Italy and Spain, but they did not beat the Japanese in the fucked up realm of fascism.

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      Antifa is such a strange concept to me because doesn’t it stand for Anti-fascist? So making Antifa your enemy means you are fascist

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      obviouspornalt@lemmynsfw.com
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      Correct. And it’s not strange.

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      • J jsomae@lemmy.ml

        Fair enough, but I think we shouldn’t be basing our inferences about the shooter from his family’s political leanings. My feeling is that somebody who does something so drastic is likely enough to be an outlier from their family that we can’t really know one way or the other.

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        soup@lemmy.world
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        A big reason why that’s important, as long as it’s done with care, is because conservatives rely on the rhetoric that purely white, conservative communities would be without crime. This kid grew up in a prime setting to show how amazing their way of life is without any “evil leftist” influences and yet here we are. The US has been given every opportunity to show how great theocratic conservative capitalism is and yet it keeps failing because the reality is that it fucking sucks rocks.

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        • S soup@lemmy.world

          A big reason why that’s important, as long as it’s done with care, is because conservatives rely on the rhetoric that purely white, conservative communities would be without crime. This kid grew up in a prime setting to show how amazing their way of life is without any “evil leftist” influences and yet here we are. The US has been given every opportunity to show how great theocratic conservative capitalism is and yet it keeps failing because the reality is that it fucking sucks rocks.

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          jsomae@lemmy.ml
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          if he’s a leftist, then of course he had “evil leftist” influences. The internet exists.

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          • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU underpantsweevil@lemmy.world

            A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink

            “I have to admit, I’m always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up,” the CIA agent says.

            “Thank you,” the KGB says. “We do our best but truly, it’s nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them.”

            The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. “Thank you friend, but you must be confused… There’s no propaganda in America.”

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            shalafi@lemmy.world
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            Love it!

            Funny thing I was thinking on the drive to camp:

            We had 3 TV stations, 3 sources of the nightly news. (Nightly news for national and world news, local paper for local news.)

            The talking heads always said the same things. Sounds like state propaganda, doesn’t it? But the reality was that none of them wanted to show even a whiff of bias. The #1 metric of who one watched for their news was trust. Like Cronkite or Rather? Who do you trust? Bias was verboten, propaganda. LOL, after Watergate, journalists hunted politicians for sport.

            Al Jazeera America started with the promise to report “just the facts ma’am”. Now I don’t know shit about their worldwide operations, I only saw the American version, and I was horrified. I realized I was so brainwashed on news-as-entertainment that reading their version was like watching grass grow. Hadn’t seen news reported as straight facts in so long I was bored shitless.

            I have some experience. Edited my high school paper, not like that’s a big deal, but I had some solid journalistic training. Same in college. I can point to bias in any given article you care to show me. Not Al Jazeera, nada, no bias.

            Predictably, they gave up within a year.

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              diskcrasher@lemmy.world
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              They now claim he was “left leaning”. It’s a war of propaganda.

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              • B barneypiccolo@lemmy.today

                Not true. Trump was constantly slamming Biden’s poor economy, even though it was far better than Trump’s first term. They made a big show of selling the concept that MAGAs, and specifically him, know the economy better than anyone, despite decades of history showing that the economy ALWAYS tanks under the right-wing administrations.

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                shalafi@lemmy.world
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                ALL true, but the GOP has given up the “fiscal responsibility” angle. I knew Republicans who were fucking enraged by Bush’s spending and wars. They GOP no longer pretends to be saving our treasury. Sure, they say their policies will eventually enrich us, but they’ve utterly given up saying they’re trying to save money. Maybe I’m splitting hairs, but I clearly remember their scream of “fiscal responsibility!”, and now they are silent.

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                • B bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world

                  Dont rewrite history while its still happening, mate. Saying you dont like him because X reasons is not the issue being brought up. Its the people cheering for his death, celebrating murder and worse calling for more of it. I didnt like the cunt, but I never wanted him to fucking die. But a lot of people on this very platform are drinking and cheering. And thats ghoulish behaviour. Its not about Kirk at that point, its about the people saying it.

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                  fritobugger2017@lemmy.world
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                  Bullshit

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                    Correct. And it’s not strange.

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                    /home/pineapplelover
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                    There are some republicans out there who think fascists are bad but also believe Antifa is some radical terrorist group. Even if it exists, that would be a good thing

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                    • J jsomae@lemmy.ml

                      Is this actually true? There’s too much disinformation about the shooter, his motivations, his identity, his family, his partner going around that I have no clue what to really believe about him.

                      (Please, nobody respond to this comment telling me “that’s exactly what they want” without providing a credible source for your claims about the shooter. If you do provide sources, then you are welcome to make fun of me for being skeptical.)

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                      VeryFrugal
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                      Earlier in the briefing, Gray said investigators had spoken to Robinson’s mother, who said her son had, over the last year “become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights-oriented”.

                      He disclosed that the exchange with the roommate then began to explore a motive.

                      “Roommate: ‘Why?’ Robinson: ‘Why did I do it?’ Roommate: ‘Yeah."’ Robinson: ‘I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully they have moved on. I haven’t seen anything about them finding it,’” Gray said.

                      I think the motivation is pretty clear at this point. Not sure how this post got 1k+ likes and no one seem to give credible source.

                      Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/charlie-kirk-shooting-prosecutor-utah

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                      • D diskcrasher@lemmy.world

                        They now claim he was “left leaning”. It’s a war of propaganda.

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                        blametheantifa@lemmy.world
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                        They were always going to blame it on the left. Facts don’t matter to rightists, only keeping control of their followers. All of Lemmy called it the moment the assassination happened.

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                          HighlandCow
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                          Don’t we not even know of the guy is truly guilty yet? There is hardly any Information about him yet to even make a good opinion

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                          • J jj4211@lemmy.world

                            I will point out one thing that should be obvious, the shooter was only 22. So it’s possible he doesn’t have a very baked and stable political ideology. I knew a hard core outwardly homophobic conservative at 17 who came out as gay and did theater by 20. I knew a fairly liberal person when she was about 18 that over the years got to a place where she publicly praised Trump and called COVID a hoax and the vaccine a conspiracy. No idea how that happened, even as I saw it first hand.

                            Given the situation, it is at least clear he was unhinged if he would get to this point, either way. I would have hoped this would be a lesson for people that people get dangerously moved by angry rhetoric, but a lot of folks are ramping up rhetoric instead.

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                            HighlandCow
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                            A very fair point indeed

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                              tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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                              no it would alienate thier base, if they blame the right wing group associated with fuentes. the gop could lose seats if they start recognizing that a right winger is the shooter, and those supporters would turn on them in a second. they are also finding it difficult to blame the left, because almost none of the political violence is caused by the left in the first place, except for rare instances.

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                              • K krono@lemmy.today

                                The number of similarities between modern America and 1930s Germany is shocking.

                                I believe the assassination of Kirk is highly analogous to the killing of Horst Wessel. Both Wessel and Kirk were far right nationalists who were killed and subsequently hailed as martyrs by their fascist movements.

                                Hitler brought up Wessel in all of his early speeches. The Nazis wrote songs and bullt statues of Wessel. And today we can already hear the songs about Kirk. Congressmen are passing around a bill to erect a statue of Kirk in the Capitol.

                                If we continue to follow this timeline closely, we are about 2 years away from our own Reichstag fire moment.

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                                twodogsfighting@lemmy.ml
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                                To be fair, 1930s got most of their ideas from the US. The country has always been sick in the bones.

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                                  remon@ani.social
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                                  Well, that aged like fine milk.

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                                  • S shalafi@lemmy.world

                                    Love it!

                                    Funny thing I was thinking on the drive to camp:

                                    We had 3 TV stations, 3 sources of the nightly news. (Nightly news for national and world news, local paper for local news.)

                                    The talking heads always said the same things. Sounds like state propaganda, doesn’t it? But the reality was that none of them wanted to show even a whiff of bias. The #1 metric of who one watched for their news was trust. Like Cronkite or Rather? Who do you trust? Bias was verboten, propaganda. LOL, after Watergate, journalists hunted politicians for sport.

                                    Al Jazeera America started with the promise to report “just the facts ma’am”. Now I don’t know shit about their worldwide operations, I only saw the American version, and I was horrified. I realized I was so brainwashed on news-as-entertainment that reading their version was like watching grass grow. Hadn’t seen news reported as straight facts in so long I was bored shitless.

                                    I have some experience. Edited my high school paper, not like that’s a big deal, but I had some solid journalistic training. Same in college. I can point to bias in any given article you care to show me. Not Al Jazeera, nada, no bias.

                                    Predictably, they gave up within a year.

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                                    underpantsweevil@lemmy.world
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                                    Not Al Jazeera, nada, no bias.

                                    Can’t tell if this is sarcasm.

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                                    • G gammelfisch@lemmy.world

                                      Imperial Japan is the only country in modern history to become a Fascist Theocracy. Under Project 2025, the USA is following a similar path. I always pointed to Germany, Italy and Spain, but they did not beat the Japanese in the fucked up realm of fascism.

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                                      rubanski@discuss.tchncs.de
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                                      Could you elaborate?

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                                      • D diskcrasher@lemmy.world

                                        They now claim he was “left leaning”. It’s a war of propaganda.

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                                        ɔiƚoxɘup
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                                        I heard that on a podcast on the way home, laughed, then realized that a lot of people would believe that. Then it wasn’t funny anymore.

                                        At this point I don’t really entirely believe anything that I’ve heard and I think that’s exactly what they want.

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                                        • S shalafi@lemmy.world

                                          ALL true, but the GOP has given up the “fiscal responsibility” angle. I knew Republicans who were fucking enraged by Bush’s spending and wars. They GOP no longer pretends to be saving our treasury. Sure, they say their policies will eventually enrich us, but they’ve utterly given up saying they’re trying to save money. Maybe I’m splitting hairs, but I clearly remember their scream of “fiscal responsibility!”, and now they are silent.

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                                          barneypiccolo@lemmy.today
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                                          They haven’t given up the claim when a Democrat is president. When a Dem is in the White House, all we hear about is how it is imperative to cut the deficit at any cost, including government shutdowns.

                                          Then a MAGA takes over and we don’t hear a peep as they expand some major surveillance agency like Homeland Security or ICE or the Space Force.

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