I Got This Right, Right?
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Dont rewrite history while its still happening, mate. Saying you dont like him because X reasons is not the issue being brought up. Its the people cheering for his death, celebrating murder and worse calling for more of it. I didnt like the cunt, but I never wanted him to fucking die. But a lot of people on this very platform are drinking and cheering. And thats ghoulish behaviour. Its not about Kirk at that point, its about the people saying it.
Bullshit
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Correct. And it’s not strange.
There are some republicans out there who think fascists are bad but also believe Antifa is some radical terrorist group. Even if it exists, that would be a good thing
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Is this actually true? There’s too much disinformation about the shooter, his motivations, his identity, his family, his partner going around that I have no clue what to really believe about him.
(Please, nobody respond to this comment telling me “that’s exactly what they want” without providing a credible source for your claims about the shooter. If you do provide sources, then you are welcome to make fun of me for being skeptical.)
Earlier in the briefing, Gray said investigators had spoken to Robinson’s mother, who said her son had, over the last year “become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights-oriented”.
He disclosed that the exchange with the roommate then began to explore a motive.
“Roommate: ‘Why?’ Robinson: ‘Why did I do it?’ Roommate: ‘Yeah."’ Robinson: ‘I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again, hopefully they have moved on. I haven’t seen anything about them finding it,’” Gray said.
I think the motivation is pretty clear at this point. Not sure how this post got 1k+ likes and no one seem to give credible source.
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/charlie-kirk-shooting-prosecutor-utah
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They now claim he was “left leaning”. It’s a war of propaganda.
They were always going to blame it on the left. Facts don’t matter to rightists, only keeping control of their followers. All of Lemmy called it the moment the assassination happened.
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Don’t we not even know of the guy is truly guilty yet? There is hardly any Information about him yet to even make a good opinion
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I will point out one thing that should be obvious, the shooter was only 22. So it’s possible he doesn’t have a very baked and stable political ideology. I knew a hard core outwardly homophobic conservative at 17 who came out as gay and did theater by 20. I knew a fairly liberal person when she was about 18 that over the years got to a place where she publicly praised Trump and called COVID a hoax and the vaccine a conspiracy. No idea how that happened, even as I saw it first hand.
Given the situation, it is at least clear he was unhinged if he would get to this point, either way. I would have hoped this would be a lesson for people that people get dangerously moved by angry rhetoric, but a lot of folks are ramping up rhetoric instead.
A very fair point indeed
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no it would alienate thier base, if they blame the right wing group associated with fuentes. the gop could lose seats if they start recognizing that a right winger is the shooter, and those supporters would turn on them in a second. they are also finding it difficult to blame the left, because almost none of the political violence is caused by the left in the first place, except for rare instances.
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The number of similarities between modern America and 1930s Germany is shocking.
I believe the assassination of Kirk is highly analogous to the killing of Horst Wessel. Both Wessel and Kirk were far right nationalists who were killed and subsequently hailed as martyrs by their fascist movements.
Hitler brought up Wessel in all of his early speeches. The Nazis wrote songs and bullt statues of Wessel. And today we can already hear the songs about Kirk. Congressmen are passing around a bill to erect a statue of Kirk in the Capitol.
If we continue to follow this timeline closely, we are about 2 years away from our own Reichstag fire moment.
To be fair, 1930s got most of their ideas from the US. The country has always been sick in the bones.
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Well, that aged like fine milk.
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Love it!
Funny thing I was thinking on the drive to camp:
We had 3 TV stations, 3 sources of the nightly news. (Nightly news for national and world news, local paper for local news.)
The talking heads always said the same things. Sounds like state propaganda, doesn’t it? But the reality was that none of them wanted to show even a whiff of bias. The #1 metric of who one watched for their news was trust. Like Cronkite or Rather? Who do you trust? Bias was verboten, propaganda. LOL, after Watergate, journalists hunted politicians for sport.
Al Jazeera America started with the promise to report “just the facts ma’am”. Now I don’t know shit about their worldwide operations, I only saw the American version, and I was horrified. I realized I was so brainwashed on news-as-entertainment that reading their version was like watching grass grow. Hadn’t seen news reported as straight facts in so long I was bored shitless.
I have some experience. Edited my high school paper, not like that’s a big deal, but I had some solid journalistic training. Same in college. I can point to bias in any given article you care to show me. Not Al Jazeera, nada, no bias.
Predictably, they gave up within a year.
Not Al Jazeera, nada, no bias.
Can’t tell if this is sarcasm.
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Imperial Japan is the only country in modern history to become a Fascist Theocracy. Under Project 2025, the USA is following a similar path. I always pointed to Germany, Italy and Spain, but they did not beat the Japanese in the fucked up realm of fascism.
Could you elaborate?
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They now claim he was “left leaning”. It’s a war of propaganda.
I heard that on a podcast on the way home, laughed, then realized that a lot of people would believe that. Then it wasn’t funny anymore.
At this point I don’t really entirely believe anything that I’ve heard and I think that’s exactly what they want.
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ALL true, but the GOP has given up the “fiscal responsibility” angle. I knew Republicans who were fucking enraged by Bush’s spending and wars. They GOP no longer pretends to be saving our treasury. Sure, they say their policies will eventually enrich us, but they’ve utterly given up saying they’re trying to save money. Maybe I’m splitting hairs, but I clearly remember their scream of “fiscal responsibility!”, and now they are silent.
They haven’t given up the claim when a Democrat is president. When a Dem is in the White House, all we hear about is how it is imperative to cut the deficit at any cost, including government shutdowns.
Then a MAGA takes over and we don’t hear a peep as they expand some major surveillance agency like Homeland Security or ICE or the Space Force.
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KILL
Pardon my ignorance but is this actually banned on some dumbass platform?
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Is this actually true? There’s too much disinformation about the shooter, his motivations, his identity, his family, his partner going around that I have no clue what to really believe about him.
(Please, nobody respond to this comment telling me “that’s exactly what they want” without providing a credible source for your claims about the shooter. If you do provide sources, then you are welcome to make fun of me for being skeptical.)
The politicians just want to continue spreading fear no matter the side imo. I hate how they want to argue instead of trying to unify us (which is what they seem scared to do cuz a unified nation will turn against them)
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“Right wing” still isn’t specific enough, as that also includes democrats.
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The politicians just want to continue spreading fear no matter the side imo. I hate how they want to argue instead of trying to unify us (which is what they seem scared to do cuz a unified nation will turn against them)
The oligarchs want that, and the oligarchs have many politicians in their pocket I presume. However, it’s not like non-corrupt non-bought politicians have any reason to be afraid of a unified nation – they’re in politics to effect change in the first place.
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It was only for one semester. And you’d be surprised how many white supremacists have had relationships with non-whites.
Yeah, but most don’t live with one.
He also seemed to want others to be helped and didn’t register as a Republican voter, or actually vote (though he was registered to do so).
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They now claim he was “left leaning”. It’s a war of propaganda.
Likely based on his texts with his transwoman roommate.
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They were always going to blame it on the left. Facts don’t matter to rightists, only keeping control of their followers. All of Lemmy called it the moment the assassination happened.
His mom literally said that her son shifted left and got into arguments with his father about politics. How does it feel to be on the side of lies and disinformation?
