Complete this sentence:
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@lproven ouch, I am sorry. At least it serves the goal of making social networking better. And the results thus far we are a long way on the road towards a Personal social networking paradigm shifts that provides you more control in finding the crowd you're most comfortable with.
https://coding.social/blog/reimagine-social/#personal-social-networking
@smallcircles @lproven LOL I have the ability to keep scrolling.
The foetid actual BS of places like LInkedIn have me scurrying back here where people are bein' themselves. -
Complete this sentence:
"I experience #fediverse as a .."
@smallcircles@social.coop Ghost cozy village.
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@smallcircles@social.coop Ghost cozy village.
@coffeetomorrow that is an original combination. I like it.
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@coffeetomorrow that is an original combination. I like it.
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@smallcircles Personal take, after thinking for quite a while about that: A larger metropolitan area in the global Northwest. Not too densely populated but far-reaching and covering a lot of real estate. A lot of roads and interconnects in between different parts, partly along areas that have been somewhat structured but in the end not really grown into /any/ kind of meaningful use. And a lot of more clearly outlined neighbourhoods of very different kinds, styles, attitudes and openness towards new arrivals or strangers, including places were you'd like to settle and stay for an indefinite amout of time and ... places, people you'd better avoid without taking a closer look or even stopping there.
Yes, a nice depiction. An intricate social networking landscape is shaping up, where our social graphs fan out to interact in many different social settings and contexts. Lovely, thank you.
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When speaking in a general sense, you can substitute with people, person, human. "The user" becomes "the person", and "user-centric" becomes human-centric or people-centric, whatever fits best in context.
More interesting when not just defaulting to saying "user", is asking the question: Whom are we serving with our software? Who is the audience, who are stakeholders and stakeholder groups that have Needs that must be addressed by our solution?
"Joyful creation", the SX formula that envisions cocreation at scale supported by the social web, discerns between Creators and Clients stakeholder groups. If we apply this formula to Software develpment, then creator might be a Dev, but also Tester, Technical writer, etc. People switch stakeholder hats: A dev being client of an upstream project.
In your case you may have Journalists in a News Media domain. And that "Customer" stakeholder name, may indicate a Sales domain. Or may be a stakeholder group, really.
@smallcircles @unattributed
My problem with using person vor journalist is as follows:
- The Organizations are the actual, paying customers (Sales domain, but also grouping element for authorization checks)
- We have journalists on both ends of our software. *our* journalists produce news which the customers journalists use to write their news
- people are everywhere in our system. So we need words to differentiate between them -
What no one has remarked thus far, is that this #poll has a serious flaw. Sure, if you're in a village or city you can find roads and highways that lead you to answer the question above.
But if you are in a Ghost Town out in the wilderness, the poll likely won't pass by your timeline. And warp the outcome of this little #fediverse survey.
Boosts are appreciated so the poll has more chance to find the outer reaches of our fedi universe.Even more remarkable is the near complete absence of the #ActivityPub developer community in mingling in the social side of the discussion.
To learn how #fedizens actually *experience* this here fediverse. A #fediverse which results from them tying their apps together, to hopefully get more than the sum of individual parts. By means of facilitating #interoperability, technically speaking. But it involves more than getting that feature across the wire to the next app.
There's exists a clear gap between #sociosphere and #technosphere, where the latter must serve the former to bring real solutions. Otherwise it is all apps and not much seamless social fabric to navigate. No peopleverse anywhere in sight. Just apps and users of them.
The apps see great success, and I enjoy their use a lot. But I don't see a future for the app-centric fediverse where it comes to providing mankind the future of #SocialNetworking.
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@smallcircles @unattributed
My problem with using person vor journalist is as follows:
- The Organizations are the actual, paying customers (Sales domain, but also grouping element for authorization checks)
- We have journalists on both ends of our software. *our* journalists produce news which the customers journalists use to write their news
- people are everywhere in our system. So we need words to differentiate between themYou may look at domain driven design here, the 'strategic design' parts, that is.
The solutions are to either use more specific stakeholder names than "Journalist", and perhaps make Journalist a stakeholder group.
Or distinguish the bounded contexts that define and restrict the meaning of Journalist to a particular sub-domain. Bounded contexts form consistency boundaries in the software design, and when you communicate across boundaries you can take contextual or semantic differences into account.
That is the part where tactical patterns apply, like an anti-corruption layer between the different journalistic contexts.
ECommerce is the usual example, where an Order has a different meaning to the Sales domain than that it has to Billing or Shipping. And the data model of the Order has different fields in each of these sub-domains.
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You may look at domain driven design here, the 'strategic design' parts, that is.
The solutions are to either use more specific stakeholder names than "Journalist", and perhaps make Journalist a stakeholder group.
Or distinguish the bounded contexts that define and restrict the meaning of Journalist to a particular sub-domain. Bounded contexts form consistency boundaries in the software design, and when you communicate across boundaries you can take contextual or semantic differences into account.
That is the part where tactical patterns apply, like an anti-corruption layer between the different journalistic contexts.
ECommerce is the usual example, where an Order has a different meaning to the Sales domain than that it has to Billing or Shipping. And the data model of the Order has different fields in each of these sub-domains.
@smallcircles @unattributed
I do know about bounded contexts and DDD. Our code is structured to make clear in which context we move. I guess its more of a "Ubiquitious Language" Problem when talking with people about what we need to do and what not.
Did I mention that not *all* our "users" are journalists? Some are just "consumers". So I still need a word to mean both at the same time as they are the ones to get authorized to different parts/services of our Software. -
Yes, a nice depiction. An intricate social networking landscape is shaping up, where our social graphs fan out to interact in many different social settings and contexts. Lovely, thank you.
@smallcircles Yes, something like that. Including its chances regarding diversity, but also its challenges related to community management, bridging gaps and keeping infrastructure both working and at a sane level. Maybe it's similar problems in general, no matter which kind of network one's talking about.
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@smallcircles Yes, something like that. Including its chances regarding diversity, but also its challenges related to community management, bridging gaps and keeping infrastructure both working and at a sane level. Maybe it's similar problems in general, no matter which kind of network one's talking about.
@z428 yes, this is the focus area of Social experience experience design, which takes on the challenge of overcoming the wicked challenge of cocreation at scale in "herding of cats" grassroots environments, where regular top-down forms of organization and governance like community-building are doomed to fail.
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Yes, ubiquitous language. I created an excalidraw copy of a diagram that you see quite often to explain the idea. I adapted it slightly for the purpose of https://coding.social
I can't say what are best name choices in your case, but at least I feel confident that it is possible to entirely avoid "user" and benefit from some extra clarity by doing so.
@smallcircles @unattributed
Hmm... Well.... I thought at least a good year about these questions and did not yet come up with better words.
I mean, yes, our journalists are creators, which clarifies that. But then our users would be consumers and thats not better. And I cant call them journalists as not every user is one. So client maybe? But that would be a better fit for the Organizations as they are the ones talking with sales and paying the money.
All in all: I really am at a loss for better words here.
Nonetheless, thank you for your time
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Complete this sentence:
"I experience #fediverse as a .."
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@smallcircles @unattributed
I do know about bounded contexts and DDD. Our code is structured to make clear in which context we move. I guess its more of a "Ubiquitious Language" Problem when talking with people about what we need to do and what not.
Did I mention that not *all* our "users" are journalists? Some are just "consumers". So I still need a word to mean both at the same time as they are the ones to get authorized to different parts/services of our Software.Yes, ubiquitous language. I created an excalidraw copy of a diagram that you see quite often to explain the idea. I adapted it slightly for the purpose of https://coding.social
I can't say what are best name choices in your case, but at least I feel confident that it is possible to entirely avoid "user" and benefit from some extra clarity by doing so.
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@smallcircles I experience the fedi as network of cafés with shared seating, or a vast food court with characters and conversations galore.
Within this multitude different folks have different needs and desires, some are testing the waters, some are regulars.
Even the impulse for networked sociality ebbs and flows.
@smallcircles -
Even more remarkable is the near complete absence of the #ActivityPub developer community in mingling in the social side of the discussion.
To learn how #fedizens actually *experience* this here fediverse. A #fediverse which results from them tying their apps together, to hopefully get more than the sum of individual parts. By means of facilitating #interoperability, technically speaking. But it involves more than getting that feature across the wire to the next app.
There's exists a clear gap between #sociosphere and #technosphere, where the latter must serve the former to bring real solutions. Otherwise it is all apps and not much seamless social fabric to navigate. No peopleverse anywhere in sight. Just apps and users of them.
The apps see great success, and I enjoy their use a lot. But I don't see a future for the app-centric fediverse where it comes to providing mankind the future of #SocialNetworking.
@smallcircles I experience the fedi as network of cafés with shared seating, or a vast food court with characters and conversations galore.
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Even more remarkable is the near complete absence of the #ActivityPub developer community in mingling in the social side of the discussion.
To learn how #fedizens actually *experience* this here fediverse. A #fediverse which results from them tying their apps together, to hopefully get more than the sum of individual parts. By means of facilitating #interoperability, technically speaking. But it involves more than getting that feature across the wire to the next app.
There's exists a clear gap between #sociosphere and #technosphere, where the latter must serve the former to bring real solutions. Otherwise it is all apps and not much seamless social fabric to navigate. No peopleverse anywhere in sight. Just apps and users of them.
The apps see great success, and I enjoy their use a lot. But I don't see a future for the app-centric fediverse where it comes to providing mankind the future of #SocialNetworking.
@smallcircles an app as a doorway to something.
How do you see the the people verse, within ans beyond the app paradigm? -
Within this multitude different folks have different needs and desires, some are testing the waters, some are regulars.
Even the impulse for networked sociality ebbs and flows.
@smallcircles@django very much so. I particularly like your last observation, thank you.
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@smallcircles an app as a doorway to something.
How do you see the the people verse, within ans beyond the app paradigm?In a technical sense constituting a shift towards a fediverse of apps and services.
In a social sense as inter-connected spaces that are open for people to explore, collaborate, cocreate, and do all the things we do offline to the extent we can do them online too, plus all the extra's that remote connection by technological means have to offer.
But that is an exploratory design area. A vast space hardly explored. This is where Social experience design focuses. See the diagram at https://coding.social where SX broadens horizons by taking a more holistic approach (actually utterly holistic and boundless in scope, as SX scales from personal to societal levels).
What #SX envisions is a peopleverse. A hypothetical place-to-be in the future where our online and offline worlds are seamlessly intertwined and in services of our day to day activities and human needs.
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Even more remarkable is the near complete absence of the #ActivityPub developer community in mingling in the social side of the discussion.
To learn how #fedizens actually *experience* this here fediverse. A #fediverse which results from them tying their apps together, to hopefully get more than the sum of individual parts. By means of facilitating #interoperability, technically speaking. But it involves more than getting that feature across the wire to the next app.
There's exists a clear gap between #sociosphere and #technosphere, where the latter must serve the former to bring real solutions. Otherwise it is all apps and not much seamless social fabric to navigate. No peopleverse anywhere in sight. Just apps and users of them.
The apps see great success, and I enjoy their use a lot. But I don't see a future for the app-centric fediverse where it comes to providing mankind the future of #SocialNetworking.
This is just me note-taking and cross-referencing.. weaving in public
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