Based and Red Pilled Gigachad, many such cases 😔

Sorry, I’ll try to start frothing at the mouth about those perfidious Chinese Russians like a calm person such as yourself.

So, for example, don’t blindly accept casualty numbers for Russia directly from the Ukrainian government?

The trick is, every-time it looks like someone other than Russia is behind it, you just have to argue that Russia is secretly being them!

Yes, the solution to America’s problems is more centralized government control of information, to make sure that those evil ruskies can’t corrupt our pure bodily fluids internet.

I think you need a nap or something, because what you said isn’t anything I wrote.

First, the existence of the post office doesn’t stop you from using UPS or Fedex. Likewise, a government forum wouldn’t stop you from using other forums or social. And the government already got involved in socials like TikTok (deal currently being made), Truth Social, Twitter, and Meta - but because they aren’t explicitly OWNED by the government, we don’t have the same legal protections and cannot sue for rights that would normally be protected like free speech.

Just like how USPS can’t open packages without a warrant, but UPS and Fedex can just open whatever. The government gives you special protections that you can enforce via lawsuits.

The government would actually be losing control of information compared to the level they currently have it at. And so would advertisers and propagandists, because it would be much harder to make sock puppets and bots. FYI propaganda warfare is literally NOT democracy, it’s fascism and fascist control of info. We should each get a say, and what we say should stand on merit, not money. We deserve real communication so we can work on issues.

I already explained I love the Russian people, but not their fascist government.

Grow up and argue in good faith, ya piece of shit

Sorry, you don’t think there’s Russian propaganda on Lemmy? Lol, are you one of them? Your arguments are kinda sus tbh and come across like the fake liberal people trying to cause outrage with buzzwords. Bots (aka human slaves) love misunderstanding words like racism, sexism, xenophobia, and cultural appropriation, accuse people of them in trying to shame people so they won’t keep talking. Won’t work on me. And if you aren’t a bot, then you have the personality of someone making rage bait to avoid torture which is just funny af if that’s what your REAL personality is like.

Tell me something negative about Putin. Go ahead. Tell me something negative about Xi’s government. Go on. These are dictators, should be easy.

Do you understand what a lie is? Making a connection isn’t a lie. If I see 1+1+1=? and answer 3, I’m not lying, I’m just completing the equation.

It isn’t “anything bad,” it’s literally example after example of them doing exactly this, along with some of their talking points so you can compare to other puppets talking points, like yours.

It literally isn’t xenophobia, lol. Being actively attacked by an administration and standing up against it is normal and bravery. Is Ukraine being xenophobic when they say Russia is attacking them too? What about Poland and Romania? What about how Lebanon is investigating possible Russian connections to that giant blast in Beirut because they think they caused it - is that xenophobia, to investigate a possible giant bomb and ask for accountability for it?

The state of Russia is engaging in warfare - that’s true. BRICS literal stated purpose is to collapse western currency. It is economic warfare. It will and has killed people. It’s okay to say that’s wrong lol

I think you need a nap or something

Starting with an insult, as all bad faith arguers do.

because what you said isn’t anything I wrote.

It is what they call “paraphrasing”

The government would actually be losing control of information compared to the level they currently have it at. And so would advertisers and propagandists

So who would be moderating this government forum?

FYI propaganda warfare is literally NOT democracy

It literally is though, certainly under capitalism, at least: propaganda is how you convince people to vote for the policies you want/represent.

it’s fascism and fascist control of info.

Yeah, no one other than fascists have ever engaged in propaganda…

Grow up and argue in good faith, ya piece of shit

BRICS literal stated purpose is western currency collapse, and they formed a coalition around this stated purpose.

Russia is a state run by a dictator who is having them do this, so that’s why they are grouped.

It isn’t “any” story, it is literally about their online warfare.

Please learn to read

Please learn a basic good faith argument

I didn’t say Russia was behind all global issues or all of America’s issues. I listed what Russia has specifically been doing because that was the info missing. I even mentioned Dubai and BRICS as you noted, so you contradict yourself here that I say only Russia is behind anything anyway. But the topic was Russia and Russia has all the blackmail so that is why they are the focus.

You can’t criticize Putin? Lol you ARE a bot. Not least because you haven’t been able to add to the discussion at all like a normal person.

BRICS literal stated purpose is western currency collapse, and they formed a coalition around this stated purpose.

Russia is a state run by a dictator who is having them do this, so that’s why they are grouped.

It isn’t “any” story, it is literally about their online warfare.

Please learn to read

Please learn a basic good faith argument

I didn’t say Russia was behind all global issues or all of America’s issues. I listed what Russia has specifically been doing because that was the info missing. I even mentioned Dubai and BRICS as you noted, so you contradict yourself here that I say only Russia is behind anything anyway. But the topic was Russia and Russia has all the blackmail so that is why they are the focus.

You can’t criticize Putin? Lol you ARE a bot. Not least because you haven’t been able to add to the discussion at all like a normal person.

Lmfao it isn’t xenophobia to stand up to a nation or nations actively attacking you with huge military campaigns for millions of dollars. It isnt xenophobia to criticize a foreign government engaging in massive human rights abuses including slavery.

Where have I stated American exceptionalism even once?

Where have I stated anything McCarthyism related? Do you think modern Russia is communist? Do you think Putin is communist?

Can you say anything negative about Putin?

No shit, I don’t support the US doing this shit either.

Define “strawman” and define “paraphrasing.”

You did not paraphrase, you made up an entirely different thing that was never said by me.

Say something negative about Putin.

The government moderates it along with the laws we put into place that protect us. Again, they are already doing this without the laws or transparency via private businesses.

Propaganda WARFARE is new, mostly online, and hasn’t been used like this before ~2016. It is NOT democracy to hear a select few people’s opinion over and over again.

Capitalism is inherently fascist, see The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal World Order by Gerstle. It cannot be truly democratic due to its inherent fascism, and part of that is the relentless propaganda used during capitalism via commercials, media, etc to sway people from freely consenting and critically thinking. People don’t need “propaganda” to learn about policies, they can watch town halls, debates, talks, etc, discuss them with each other, and freely exchange ideas. (Doesn’t surprise me at all that you are in support of fascist control of info).

Propaganda warfare is literally fascism, made by fascists, to spread fascism.

Hey can you say something negative about Putin?

Sorry, you don’t think there’s Russian propaganda on Lemmy?

Nope, stop right there. You’re trying to dodge away from what we were actually talking about, so I’m just going to repeat what I said.

So all of those links contain evidence for the specific claim that Russian is engaged in “MASSIVE MASSIVE warfare on Lemmy” specifically? Because if not, and it’s actually just you posting every unrelated link about Russia doing anything bad you could find in the hope that the sheer number of them would dissuade anyone from actually double checking, then you are actively and deliberately lying through your teeth. So which is it?

Lol, are you one of them? Your arguments are kinda sus tbh and come across like the fake liberal people trying to cause outrage with buzzwords. Bots (aka human slaves) love misunderstanding words like racism, sexism, xenophobia, and cultural appropriation, accuse people of them in trying to shame people so they won’t keep talking. Won’t work on me. And if you aren’t a bot, then you have the personality of someone making rage bait to avoid torture which is just funny af if that’s what your REAL personality is like.

Notice how this is all just substanceless personal attacks and McCarthyism (literally uses the phrase “Are you one of them?!”). This is purely trying to distract from the fact that you have not actual argument by reverting to just attacking me.

Tell me something negative about Putin.

Putin is an ultranationalist dictator who only cares about personal power and is only different from outright fascists in so much as he’s too self interested and cynical to believe in a cause larger than himself. He willingly oversaw the dismantleing and selling off of Russia to the oligarch class and is currently engaged in a brutal war of aggression that will be the cause of mass human suffering for decades to come. He’s basically the Saddam of Europe and I won’t be sad if he goes out the same way.

Tell me something negative about Xi’s government.

Where the fuck does this come from, what does Xi have to do with any of this? Oh right, you’re so xenophobic that you consider China and Russia to just be interchangeable synonym’s for “the evil foreigners”

Do you understand what a lie is? Making a connection isn’t a lie. If I see 1+1+1=? and answer 3, I’m not lying, I’m just completing the equation.

So this is just an admition that you were lying when you said your sources contained the claim. This is literally Qanon reasoning.

It isn’t “anything bad,” it’s literally example after example of them doing exactly this, along with some of their talking points so you can compare to other puppets talking points, like yours.

See, you’ve developed as completely circular, unfalsifiable, reasoning: Russians are behind everything bad - therefore everything bad is Russian, proving that everything bad is from Russia. Once you’ve decided that everything you disagree with is “a Russian talking point” and everyone who disagrees with you is “a Russian puppet” by definition, then yes, everything bad is because of Russian.

It literally isn’t xenophobia

It literally is, it’s literally saying that all of your country’s domestic problems are secretly the fault of foreign enemies.

Being actively attacked by an administration and standing up against it is normal and bravery.

Lol. If propaganda actually counted as “actively attacking” then the USA has been actively attacking the entire human race, including the Russian federation, for decades, and Russia is actually normal and brave for standing up to you. But it doesnt’ count as that, you’re just redefining words.

Is Ukraine being xenophobic when they say Russia is attacking them too?

No, because Ukraine is actually, physically being attacked by Russia, not just claiming that every single domestic problem is actually part of a foreign conspiracy. By your reasoning here, Nazi Germany wouldn’t have been xenophobic for saying the Judeo-Boleshoviks were attacking them.

BRICS literal stated purpose is to collapse western currency. It is economic warfare.

Damn, now even trying to challenge the global dominance of the US dollar is warfare. Seems like you just consider anything opposed to the Glorious light of the Exceptional USA as ontologically evil. Just to be clear; this is the most insanely fascistic shit I have seen in a long time. Even Zionists don’t go this far.

People who consume only a specific source of media are biased as fuck. You don’t consume only media that’s in favor of your beliefs. You have to consume the other side’s propaganda as well. The truth is rarely spoken by anyone and lies somewhere in the middle.

The truth isn’t content. It isn’t engaging. Statements are.

There’s a fine line between “not believing that propaganda” and “being a conspiracy theorist”

Like “Project Prism”

Define “strawman” and define “paraphrasing.”

Strawman: Misrepresenting someones point as a different, less strong, point.
Paraphrasing: Expressing the same concept in different wording.

Hence why I was paraphrasing, because I didn’t misrepresent your point.

Say something negative about Putin.

Are you going to do this on every post now? Do you need me to recite the pledge of allegiance every post too? Say something negative about Barack Obama.

The government moderates it

Ok. So it’s information control by the government.

Propaganda WARFARE is new, mostly online, and hasn’t been used like this before ~2016.

Lol. Yeah ok. I’m not sure who you’re expecting is going to take seriously the idea that propaganda campaigns weren’t invented until decades after the cold war.

Capitalism is inherently fascist, see The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal World Order by Gerstle. It cannot be truly democratic due to its inherent fascism, and part of that is the relentless propaganda used during capitalism via commercials, media, etc to sway people from freely consenting and critically thinking.

No disagreement here; but surely you realize this also means that control of information by a capitalist government isn’t the solution.

Propaganda warfare is literally fascism, made by fascists, to spread fascism.

Just because fascists use propaganda doesn’t’ mean that they invented it or only they use it.

Hey can you say something negative about Putin?

Wow, so you’re not just going to ask this every post, you’re going to ask it multiple times per post. Do you need me to sign a loyalty pledge too? Swear under oath that I am not and have never been a member of the communist party?

Lmfao it isn’t xenophobia to stand up to a nation or nations actively attacking you with huge military campaigns for millions of dollars. It isnt xenophobia to criticize a foreign government engaging in massive human rights abuses including slavery.

OK? That has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, because that’s not what we were talking about. Unless you’re just deliberately trying to motte-and-bailly out of what you said.

Where have I stated American exceptionalism even once?

The bit where you assume that none of America’s problems could be domestic, they’re all the result of a grand conspiracy by evil foreigners.

Where have I stated anything McCarthyism related? Do you think modern Russia is communist? Do you think Putin is communist?

Lol, so accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a secret Russian agent is fine so long as you don’t also call them a communist? Fuck off, you’re being disingenuous and you know; constantly blaming everything on massive infiltration by Russian agents, including attacking all dissent by accusing them of being Russian agents, is McCarthyism regardless of whether Russia is communist.

Can you say anything negative about Putin?

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

No shit, I don’t support the US doing this shit either.

Sure you do, by claiming that when America does it, it’s secretively Russia’s fault, and anyone who criticizes the US for it is secretly Russian.

russias guilty of the vast majority of propaganda nd trolling on US MEDIA, and msm, where have you been?

Right wingers, do it in a specific way, they have either fox on all day long, or if they are on the computer, they have X posts just literring thier webpages, joe rogan or a right wing talking head video playing in the background for hours on end. thats how they reinforce the biases.

BRICS literal stated purpose is western currency collapse, and they formed a coalition around this stated purpose.

Listen mate, nobody is going to take seriously the argument that trying to form a rival currency bloc to the US dollar is literal warfare except for the most insane fascists.

Russia is a state run by a dictator who is having them do this,

Oh, so Russia secretly controls India and China now too! Fucking Qanon tier shit.

It isn’t “any” story, it is literally about their online warfare.

Well that’s just straight up lying; https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62465043 this has nothing to do with online warfare, liar.

I even mentioned Dubai and BRICS as you noted, so you contradict yourself here that I say only Russia is behind anything anyway.

You mean the thing you just said was controlled by Russia?

Please learn a basic good faith argument

Once paragraph later:

You can’t criticize Putin? Lol you ARE a bot.

You can’t criticize Obama? Lol you ARE a bot!

Not least because you haven’t been able to add to the discussion at all like a normal person.

Lol. OK. Apparently “normal” means “endlessly ignoring actual arguments and just screeching ‘RUSSIAN BOT!’ at anyone who disagrees.”

russia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides too. its one of thier core strategies to distract west from russias geopolitical aspirations. i think russia has USA beat on being propagandized, usa is probably 2ND, if at most 3rd.