Based and Red Pilled Gigachad, many such cases đ
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To be fair, everyoneâs views are shaped by propaganda of some kind, itâs quite literally unavoidable if you exist within any society. Lots of people like to think that their ideas are just the product of their own independent thinking, but that isnât really how people work.
its one thing to have different kinds of propaganda , but RW only consume 1 kind of pure propaganda as thier sole source of information.
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russia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides too. its one of thier core strategies to distract west from russias geopolitical aspirations. i think russia has USA beat on being propagandized, usa is probably 2ND, if at most 3rd.
You know America is cooked when even liberals are coming up with grand conspiricy theories to blame all of the countries problems on sinister forigners. Any evidence that ârussia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides tooâ? Of course not, but it feels right, because it explains the current state of things while still maintaining American exceptionalism, so thatâs good enough.
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Sorry, you donât think thereâs Russian propaganda on Lemmy?
Nope, stop right there. Youâre trying to dodge away from what we were actually talking about, so Iâm just going to repeat what I said.
So all of those links contain evidence for the specific claim that Russian is engaged in âMASSIVE MASSIVE warfare on Lemmyâ specifically? Because if not, and itâs actually just you posting every unrelated link about Russia doing anything bad you could find in the hope that the sheer number of them would dissuade anyone from actually double checking, then you are actively and deliberately lying through your teeth. So which is it?
Lol, are you one of them? Your arguments are kinda sus tbh and come across like the fake liberal people trying to cause outrage with buzzwords. Bots (aka human slaves) love misunderstanding words like racism, sexism, xenophobia, and cultural appropriation, accuse people of them in trying to shame people so they wonât keep talking. Wonât work on me. And if you arenât a bot, then you have the personality of someone making rage bait to avoid torture which is just funny af if thatâs what your REAL personality is like.
Notice how this is all just substanceless personal attacks and McCarthyism (literally uses the phrase âAre you one of them?!â). This is purely trying to distract from the fact that you have not actual argument by reverting to just attacking me.
Tell me something negative about Putin.
Putin is an ultranationalist dictator who only cares about personal power and is only different from outright fascists in so much as heâs too self interested and cynical to believe in a cause larger than himself. He willingly oversaw the dismantleing and selling off of Russia to the oligarch class and is currently engaged in a brutal war of aggression that will be the cause of mass human suffering for decades to come. Heâs basically the Saddam of Europe and I wonât be sad if he goes out the same way.
Tell me something negative about Xiâs government.
Where the fuck does this come from, what does Xi have to do with any of this? Oh right, youâre so xenophobic that you consider China and Russia to just be interchangeable synonymâs for âthe evil foreignersâ
Do you understand what a lie is? Making a connection isnât a lie. If I see 1+1+1=? and answer 3, Iâm not lying, Iâm just completing the equation.
So this is just an admition that you were lying when you said your sources contained the claim. This is literally Qanon reasoning.
It isnât âanything bad,â itâs literally example after example of them doing exactly this, along with some of their talking points so you can compare to other puppets talking points, like yours.
See, youâve developed as completely circular, unfalsifiable, reasoning: Russians are behind everything bad - therefore everything bad is Russian, proving that everything bad is from Russia. Once youâve decided that everything you disagree with is âa Russian talking pointâ and everyone who disagrees with you is âa Russian puppetâ by definition, then yes, everything bad is because of Russian.
It literally isnât xenophobia
It literally is, itâs literally saying that all of your countryâs domestic problems are secretly the fault of foreign enemies.
Being actively attacked by an administration and standing up against it is normal and bravery.
Lol. If propaganda actually counted as âactively attackingâ then the USA has been actively attacking the entire human race, including the Russian federation, for decades, and Russia is actually normal and brave for standing up to you. But it doesntâ count as that, youâre just redefining words.
Is Ukraine being xenophobic when they say Russia is attacking them too?
No, because Ukraine is actually, physically being attacked by Russia, not just claiming that every single domestic problem is actually part of a foreign conspiracy. By your reasoning here, Nazi Germany wouldnât have been xenophobic for saying the Judeo-Boleshoviks were attacking them.
BRICS literal stated purpose is to collapse western currency. It is economic warfare.
Damn, now even trying to challenge the global dominance of the US dollar is warfare. Seems like you just consider anything opposed to the Glorious light of the Exceptional USA as ontologically evil. Just to be clear; this is the most insanely fascistic shit I have seen in a long time. Even Zionists donât go this far.
The actual quote:
Russia has engaged in MASSIVE MASSIVE online warfare, including on Lemmy (eg, you, maybe).
Including on Lemmy means they have a masive campaign and that includes some bots on Lemmy. Learn to read what is written. Stop strawmanning. Stop pretending you can mind read - thatâs also a psychiatric symptom btw.
Asking if you are a bot because you are parroting pro-Russian talking points when faced with other evidence is not âsubstancelessâ personal attacks lol.
Putin is an outright fascist.
BRICS, keep up. This was established numerous comments ago.
What claim? The claim YOU randomly invented because you strawman so much? You yourself did not disagree that thereâs Russian propaganda on Lemmy.
See, youâve developed as completely circular, unfalsifiable, reasoning: Russians are behind everything bad - therefore everything bad is Russian, proving that everything bad is from Russia. Once youâve decided that everything you disagree with is âa Russian talking pointâ and everyone who disagrees with you is âa Russian puppetâ by definition, then yes, everything bad is because of Russian.
No, this isnât what I said. Strawman. You know I didnât say it, because I didnât use those words, I used other words because they specifically conveyed my actual meaning, which is not the above.
itâs literally saying that all of your countryâs domestic problems are secretly the fault of foreign enemies.
No, this isnât what I said. Strawman. You know I didnât say it, because I didnât use those words, I used other words because they specifically conveyed my actual meaning, which is not the above.
then the USA has been actively attacking the entire human race, including the Russian federation, for decades, and Russia is actually normal and brave for standing up to you. But it doesntâ count as that, youâre just redefining words.
Yes, the USA has been and is fascist too, all capitalist governments are inherently fascist, this has already been explained to you. This includes Russia too, both countries are fascist. Neither are brave or good for being fascist warmongers and both used the other as a scapegoat to rid themselves of undesirables.
Iâm not âredefining words,â projection on your part.
People are literally dying, a physical attack, from this propaganda. Measles outbreaks, people eating bad food, gun violence, etc etc. Their deaths are as valid as if theyâd been shot directly.
not just claiming that every single domestic problem is actually part of a foreign conspiracy. By your reasoning here, Nazi Germany wouldnât have been xenophobic for saying the Judeo-Boleshoviks were attacking them.
Strawman again.
Damn, now even trying to challenge the global dominance of the US dollar is warfare. Seems like you just consider anything opposed to the Glorious light of the Exceptional USA as ontologically evil. Just to be clear; this is the most insanely fascistic shit I have seen in a long time. Even Zionists donât go this far
Yeah, okay, with this it is clear youâre having a bad mental health episode. I donât care to be your punching bag for your delusions, mania, and/or psychosis which Iâve politely labeled strawmans and mindreading up to now. The âtalking like Qanonâ thing is clearly projection on your part. Much of what you said is nonsensical or just wrong, youâve been informed of that and are unable to adjust or have a good faith argument at any level. You have failed in every comment to actually read the actual words I say and respond to the actual words I say. I may as well not be here lol, and any readers have the info they may want anyway.
I have no issue with reducing the global power of the USD and I am sympathetic to why other countries would do it. However, they do not care to do it gently, causing death, which needs to be addressed locally starting with acknowledging it.
The rest - yeah, Iâm sure the evil boogeyman narrative your brain invented towards me is really insanely fascist and evil lol. You are a good creative writer and make very spooky characters with very spooky buzzwords. It isnât me because I didnât say anything you claim was said, but that other guy youâve invented is a really scary guy for sure. You are doing great arguing against them and defeating them. They are just so evil.
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Lol, youâre just literally copy pasting random comments without actually bothering to read what youâre replying to now
No, you double posted this comment and so I double posted my response. Yikes
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No, you double posted this comment and so I double posted my response. Yikes
Ok, well thatâs just verifiablely false. And your copy pasted comment doesnât even address mine in the first place
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You know America is cooked when even liberals are coming up with grand conspiricy theories to blame all of the countries problems on sinister forigners. Any evidence that ârussia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides tooâ? Of course not, but it feels right, because it explains the current state of things while still maintaining American exceptionalism, so thatâs good enough.
Hehe .ml user being defensive
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Define âstrawmanâ and define âparaphrasing.â
Strawman: Misrepresenting someones point as a different, less strong, point.
Paraphrasing: Expressing the same concept in different wording.Hence why I was paraphrasing, because I didnât misrepresent your point.
Say something negative about Putin.
Are you going to do this on every post now? Do you need me to recite the pledge of allegiance every post too? Say something negative about Barack Obama.
The government moderates it
Ok. So itâs information control by the government.
Propaganda WARFARE is new, mostly online, and hasnât been used like this before ~2016.
Lol. Yeah ok. Iâm not sure who youâre expecting is going to take seriously the idea that propaganda campaigns werenât invented until decades after the cold war.
Capitalism is inherently fascist, see The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal World Order by Gerstle. It cannot be truly democratic due to its inherent fascism, and part of that is the relentless propaganda used during capitalism via commercials, media, etc to sway people from freely consenting and critically thinking.
No disagreement here; but surely you realize this also means that control of information by a capitalist government isnât the solution.
Propaganda warfare is literally fascism, made by fascists, to spread fascism.
Just because fascists use propaganda doesnâtâ mean that they invented it or only they use it.
Hey can you say something negative about Putin?
Wow, so youâre not just going to ask this every post, youâre going to ask it multiple times per post. Do you need me to sign a loyalty pledge too? Swear under oath that I am not and have never been a member of the communist party?
A strawman is taking someoneâs genuine argument and then distorting or misrepresenting it to make it easier to attack. A strawman argument isnât valid and it isnât paraphrasing. Generally when people paraphrase in good faith, they will ask if they said the paraphrase correctly and will correct themselves if it is incorrect.
They cannot remove just anything, they have to have a legal basis to do so and can be sued, less government control than now.
I said propaganda warfare, meaning online propaganda warfare that started in 2016, a new type of warfare. Obviously.
Again, it is less control than what exists presently already via private companies that would still exist later anyway. We still can advocate for progress even within capitalism and fascism, thatâs how we dig out of both.
Propaganda warfare in my comment is specifically referencing online warfare since 2016, and it is absolutely Putinâs baby.
You did slightly better on this comment in terms of nonsensical spewing, nice
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BRICS literal stated purpose is western currency collapse, and they formed a coalition around this stated purpose.
Listen mate, nobody is going to take seriously the argument that trying to form a rival currency bloc to the US dollar is literal warfare except for the most insane fascists.
Russia is a state run by a dictator who is having them do this,
Oh, so Russia secretly controls India and China now too! Fucking Qanon tier shit.
It isnât âanyâ story, it is literally about their online warfare.
Well thatâs just straight up lying; https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62465043 this has nothing to do with online warfare, liar.
I even mentioned Dubai and BRICS as you noted, so you contradict yourself here that I say only Russia is behind anything anyway.
You mean the thing you just said was controlled by Russia?
Please learn a basic good faith argument
Once paragraph later:
You canât criticize Putin? Lol you ARE a bot.
You canât criticize Obama? Lol you ARE a bot!
Not least because you havenât been able to add to the discussion at all like a normal person.
Lol. OK. Apparently ânormalâ means âendlessly ignoring actual arguments and just screeching âRUSSIAN BOT!â at anyone who disagrees.â
I can see youâre having a worsening of your mental health event, Iâm done talking to you. Have fun with your creative writing exercise!
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Lmfao it isnât xenophobia to stand up to a nation or nations actively attacking you with huge military campaigns for millions of dollars. It isnt xenophobia to criticize a foreign government engaging in massive human rights abuses including slavery.
OK? That has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, because thatâs not what we were talking about. Unless youâre just deliberately trying to motte-and-bailly out of what you said.
Where have I stated American exceptionalism even once?
The bit where you assume that none of Americaâs problems could be domestic, theyâre all the result of a grand conspiracy by evil foreigners.
Where have I stated anything McCarthyism related? Do you think modern Russia is communist? Do you think Putin is communist?
Lol, so accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a secret Russian agent is fine so long as you donât also call them a communist? Fuck off, youâre being disingenuous and you know; constantly blaming everything on massive infiltration by Russian agents, including attacking all dissent by accusing them of being Russian agents, is McCarthyism regardless of whether Russia is communist.
Can you say anything negative about Putin?
Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?
No shit, I donât support the US doing this shit either.
Sure you do, by claiming that when America does it, itâs secretively Russiaâs fault, and anyone who criticizes the US for it is secretly Russian.
I can see youâre having a worsening of your mental health event, Iâm done talking to you. Have fun with your creative writing exercise!
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THE LARGEST MOST COMMONLY WATCHED BEST FUNDED MEDIA OUTLET ISNT MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!1!
How else do you define âmainstreamâ than âmost commonly watchedâ?
TBH, ALL of the major news teams (CBS, ABC, CNN, msNBC) have succumbed to PumpkinLordâs rhetoric (almost NO calling out his lies or unconstitutional ploys).Fox is the Eye of Sauron. May Reagan burn in intolerable hell for unleashing that shit upon us.
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Just some quick bigger stories. There are others as well.
Thanks for those! Good sourcing.
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So 80% of lemmy.ml users?
Probably not 80% of their users, but definitely the majority of the active ones.
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And if you think âhaha stupid MAGAsâ falling for propaganda, I got news for you buddy, youâve fallen for it too.
Good thing youâre immune, though. Now tell me more about how all of the Westâs problems are actually because of a vast conspiracy theory of evil foreigners.
1 - where did I say Iâm immune?
2 - are you ignoring the fact that Russia openly admits to doing this?
Gentlemen, we interfered, we interfere, and we will interfere ⌠Carefully, precisely, surgically, and in our own way, as we know how. During our pinpoint operations, we will remove both kidneys and the liver at once.
Yevgeny Prigozhin founder of the largest Russian troll farm
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The actual quote:
Russia has engaged in MASSIVE MASSIVE online warfare, including on Lemmy (eg, you, maybe).
Including on Lemmy means they have a masive campaign and that includes some bots on Lemmy. Learn to read what is written. Stop strawmanning. Stop pretending you can mind read - thatâs also a psychiatric symptom btw.
Asking if you are a bot because you are parroting pro-Russian talking points when faced with other evidence is not âsubstancelessâ personal attacks lol.
Putin is an outright fascist.
BRICS, keep up. This was established numerous comments ago.
What claim? The claim YOU randomly invented because you strawman so much? You yourself did not disagree that thereâs Russian propaganda on Lemmy.
See, youâve developed as completely circular, unfalsifiable, reasoning: Russians are behind everything bad - therefore everything bad is Russian, proving that everything bad is from Russia. Once youâve decided that everything you disagree with is âa Russian talking pointâ and everyone who disagrees with you is âa Russian puppetâ by definition, then yes, everything bad is because of Russian.
No, this isnât what I said. Strawman. You know I didnât say it, because I didnât use those words, I used other words because they specifically conveyed my actual meaning, which is not the above.
itâs literally saying that all of your countryâs domestic problems are secretly the fault of foreign enemies.
No, this isnât what I said. Strawman. You know I didnât say it, because I didnât use those words, I used other words because they specifically conveyed my actual meaning, which is not the above.
then the USA has been actively attacking the entire human race, including the Russian federation, for decades, and Russia is actually normal and brave for standing up to you. But it doesntâ count as that, youâre just redefining words.
Yes, the USA has been and is fascist too, all capitalist governments are inherently fascist, this has already been explained to you. This includes Russia too, both countries are fascist. Neither are brave or good for being fascist warmongers and both used the other as a scapegoat to rid themselves of undesirables.
Iâm not âredefining words,â projection on your part.
People are literally dying, a physical attack, from this propaganda. Measles outbreaks, people eating bad food, gun violence, etc etc. Their deaths are as valid as if theyâd been shot directly.
not just claiming that every single domestic problem is actually part of a foreign conspiracy. By your reasoning here, Nazi Germany wouldnât have been xenophobic for saying the Judeo-Boleshoviks were attacking them.
Strawman again.
Damn, now even trying to challenge the global dominance of the US dollar is warfare. Seems like you just consider anything opposed to the Glorious light of the Exceptional USA as ontologically evil. Just to be clear; this is the most insanely fascistic shit I have seen in a long time. Even Zionists donât go this far
Yeah, okay, with this it is clear youâre having a bad mental health episode. I donât care to be your punching bag for your delusions, mania, and/or psychosis which Iâve politely labeled strawmans and mindreading up to now. The âtalking like Qanonâ thing is clearly projection on your part. Much of what you said is nonsensical or just wrong, youâve been informed of that and are unable to adjust or have a good faith argument at any level. You have failed in every comment to actually read the actual words I say and respond to the actual words I say. I may as well not be here lol, and any readers have the info they may want anyway.
I have no issue with reducing the global power of the USD and I am sympathetic to why other countries would do it. However, they do not care to do it gently, causing death, which needs to be addressed locally starting with acknowledging it.
The rest - yeah, Iâm sure the evil boogeyman narrative your brain invented towards me is really insanely fascist and evil lol. You are a good creative writer and make very spooky characters with very spooky buzzwords. It isnât me because I didnât say anything you claim was said, but that other guy youâve invented is a really scary guy for sure. You are doing great arguing against them and defeating them. They are just so evil.
Iâve got to ask the liberals of this com: are you really not at all uncomfortable that the liberal discourse has descended to the level of the absolute toxic insanity of the above post? Like, honest question, how is this any different to the average MAGA chud at this point?
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1 - where did I say Iâm immune?
2 - are you ignoring the fact that Russia openly admits to doing this?
Gentlemen, we interfered, we interfere, and we will interfere ⌠Carefully, precisely, surgically, and in our own way, as we know how. During our pinpoint operations, we will remove both kidneys and the liver at once.
Yevgeny Prigozhin founder of the largest Russian troll farm
âI didnât say Iâm immune to propaganda! Itâs just the propaganda I believe happens to be true! See, hereâs an unsourced quote that doesnât contain any concrete claims but certainly sounds sinister!â
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Hello!
First up, I just want to say that youâre right. Russia has committed crimes. So, letâs at least understand why that happened, so we donât go around like hypocrites pointing out maga for believing Russian propaganda, while you and I believe western propaganda.In 1991, after the illegal and undemocratic dissolution of the USSR through neo-liberal shock therapy against the overwhelming majority of the population, fifteen states, which had not previously existed as fully independent countries in the modern, internationally recognized sense, were born. Of which, Ukraine.
Unsurprisingly, when you go from a planned economy to a market economy and the state start rapidly selling assets, the result is inflation, corruption, and instability.
Additionally, Ukraineâs geopolitical location keeps it interesting for western imperial interests. Being the second largest country in Europe, bordering both NATO, Russia, and the further Eastern Block, and a transit country for 2/3 of Europeâs natural gas from Russia, it of course plays a big role in the regionsâ stability. Just interfering in the transit of Russian natural gas is enough to make Russia, a great enemy of NATO, suffer catastrophic economic hardships.
Given all those reasons and access to the black sea, and thatâs how the west convinced Ukraine to trade in its nuclear arsenal for âsecurity assurancesâ in 1994.
Trying to balance a relationship with both Russia and the West all the while the country faces massive inflation killing living standards and eroding public trust in the government, leading to constant leadership changes, but its not enough to explain the initial western intervention in Ukraine.
Since the beginning, NATO has been looking to get its hands dirty in Ukraine, making non-meaningful peace deals to âstrengthen relationshipsâ. A 2008 poll shows that 55% of Ukrainians straight-up opposed joining NATO and only 20% were in favor.
In a Russia-Ukraine-USA agreement, Ukraine was compensated with millions by the USA and low-enriched uranium fuel rods by Russia in exchange for it completely dismantling its nuclear powers. US Aid was given to Ukraine from the beginning. However, while this was crucial in the beginning, it did not come without a price. The US has claimed as a matter of foreign policy that âFor a stable and secure Ukraine is essential for a stable and secure Europeâ through the establishment of the âVice Presidency of the European and Euro-Atlantic Integration in Ukraineâ, which has made Ukraineâs pro-western stance clear since. This was even reinforced by constitutional amendments in 2019, embedding NATO and EU membership as "strategic goals to actively pursueâ'.
In 2004, âThe Orange Revolutionâ marked by widespread protests and reforms. As accusations of election fraud was made (hmm sounds familiar) and that led to new elections. That is true, but from the beginning, the organization of the protest is suspiciously too organized as if they were receiving some kind of help. Until this moment, the US promoted over 65 million dollars to âpromote democracy in Ukraineâ mainly through organizations like freedom house and national endownment, which had, big surprise, agitated many of the youth by organizing rock concerts and setting up posters all over. In the next so-called revolution, Ukrainians protested against the association agreement to reject closer ties with the EU to balance ties with Russia. The narrative was told that riot police and the such were deployed and even shot protesters. What is left out of this conversation is the involvement of far-right groups ХвОйОда. Although they were a minority, they had a large backing, resources, and organization. They were widely occupying government building especially in western Ukraine. The EU and the US staged participation in the protests, actively supported the far-right reactionaries, and a later leaked phone-call reveals US efforts to influence the formation of a post Euoropia government. Poland also played a big role through funding and pressuring the EU to integrate Ukraine into so-called âEuropean normsâ. Image the inverse. Imagine Russia actively funding and supporting anti-government uprisings in lets say Mexico to match its interests in weakening the USA. Imagine a leaked phone call with Putin practically choosing the next leaders of Mexico some even being Russian themselves. Just for a second, think about all this and forget the US exceptionalism. Before moving on, its important to mention that Russia wasnt just standing by all this time. Russia conducted covert and overt operations in the presidency and later in Crimea and Romas. Donât mistake me for being a supporter of Russia. I hate it with all my heart as much as you do, but situations like these need nuance.
Since the 1990s Russia has seen western intervention in Ukraine as a direct threat and was its reasoning for invading Crimea. This constant push and pull between the west and Russia caused the Ukrainians to suffer under a collapsing country being influenced by foreign entities. Even with all that, in 2014, Ukraine took a massive 17 billion dollar lone from the IMF and of course, the IMF implemented neo-liberal policies further ruining life and interest continues to rise so high to the point of insanity. This also further strengthened the already present and powerful Ukrainian oligarchs by major tax cuts yet the payroll tax remained at 50% placing even more burden onto the working class.
With all this in mind, it should be very clear that the policy towards Ukraine and Russia throughout the previous decades has produced outcomes opposite to the stated goals. The US says it views the strategic positioning of Ukraine as a buffer state. Itâs not like this is a surprise. Even back in 2008, CIA director William when he was serving as the US ambassador to Russia stated âUkranian entry to NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin)⌠[it is] a direct challenge to Russian interestsâŚâ. Another show of this is the Russian progress made, while the US was debating sending more money to Ukraine. Ukraine is heavily dependent on western weapons and supplies and can not survive on its own. Yet, peace deals are ignored for the continuation of Western imperial interests at the expense of Ukraine, which needs peace negotiations not continued war and western intervention. Defense secretary Lloyd Austin explicitly stated âThe US goal in Ukrain was to see Russia weakened due to the warâ, which is not the case at all and the lack of peace deals and continued western intervention not only is making Ukrainian lives more shit than they already were before the war, but also resulting in more and more countries being involved, potentially leading to WW3 just for some petty western interests.
I truly hope the best for Ukrainians and Russians impacted by this war and hope all of this ends.
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âI didnât say Iâm immune to propaganda! Itâs just the propaganda I believe happens to be true! See, hereâs an unsourced quote that doesnât contain any concrete claims but certainly sounds sinister!â
Lol, I just noticed youâre an ML. No wonder youâre desperate to deny anything bad ever came out of Russia. Scuttle back to your tankie echo chamber.
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Hehe .ml user being defensive
Yeah, thats got to be it. No one could genuinely be concerned to see the left wing of American politics following the right into McCarthyism and xenophobia, it must be because I have the wrong letters after my name. Nothing I said is wrong, of course, but thatâs nothing a lazy ad-hominem canât solve, is it.
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Lol, I just noticed youâre an ML. No wonder youâre desperate to deny anything bad ever came out of Russia. Scuttle back to your tankie echo chamber.
Damn, you really have nothing except ad hominems. Guess what: the letters following my username in no way affect whether Iâm right or not.
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I can see youâre having a worsening of your mental health event, Iâm done talking to you. Have fun with your creative writing exercise!
Iâve got to ask the liberals of this com: are you really not at all uncomfortable that the liberal discourse has descended to the level of the absolute toxic insanity of the above post? Like, honest question, how is this any different to the average MAGA chud at this point?
