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  • T tempermentalanomaly@lemmy.world

    Edit: Guess who won’t face any accountability.

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    threeonefour
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    Being fired from your job over things you said has nothing to do with the right to free speech. That right means the government won’t punish you. It does not stop anyone else from punishing you.

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    • T threeonefour

      Being fired from your job over things you said has nothing to do with the right to free speech. That right means the government won’t punish you. It does not stop anyone else from punishing you.

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      doomsider@lemmy.world
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      What if the government is putting pressure on the organization.

      Then it becomes a free speech issue.

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      • D doomsider@lemmy.world

        What if the government is putting pressure on the organization.

        Then it becomes a free speech issue.

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        MacN'Cheezus
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        You mean like back in 2020-21, when the Biden admin was putting pressure on Twitter to ban anyone who was critical of their COVID policies, and they even ended up deplatforming the guy who pioneered mRNA vaccines?

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        • MacN'CheezusM MacN'Cheezus

          You mean like back in 2020-21, when the Biden admin was putting pressure on Twitter to ban anyone who was critical of their COVID policies, and they even ended up deplatforming the guy who pioneered mRNA vaccines?

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          doomsider@lemmy.world
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          Yup, that is classic suppression. Of course you could argue that is was for the benefit of public health as opposed to a witch hunt to get a bunch of people fired for not worshipping an alt-right propagandist.

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          • D doomsider@lemmy.world

            Yup, that is classic suppression. Of course you could argue that is was for the benefit of public health as opposed to a witch hunt to get a bunch of people fired for not worshipping an alt-right propagandist.

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            MacN'Cheezus
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            You don’t think celebrating the murder of a political enemy on national TV isn’t setting a dangerous precedent to encourage more political violence from both sides? Do you really want to live in a world where people just get shot for having a different opinion from yours?

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            • MacN'CheezusM MacN'Cheezus

              You don’t think celebrating the murder of a political enemy on national TV isn’t setting a dangerous precedent to encourage more political violence from both sides? Do you really want to live in a world where people just get shot for having a different opinion from yours?

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              doomsider@lemmy.world
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              First of all no one did this on national TV. Perhaps you referring to edge lords on the Internet making snide or rude comments. This is nothing to worry about. I heard people talk about hanging or shooting Obama for several years when I lived in Idaho. Celebrating and fantasizing about killing the President did absolutely nothing.

              Second, we already live in a society where the right wing is constantly calling for violence. They have been openly talking about killing people from the Democratic party for decades. Rush Limbaugh was particularly found of this and he received the Medal of Freedom.

              Let’s be clear here, a couple of edgy people have celebrated his death. A lot of people recognize he was a piece of shit and are not upset at all other than to say no one should have to die this way.

              The violent rhetoric comes regularly from the conservatives. Even the president of the United States sent a message he was bringing the Department of War to Chicago to enact an apocalypse. Kind of blows a few edge lords cheering on Kirk’s death out of the motherfucking water.

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              • D doomsider@lemmy.world

                First of all no one did this on national TV. Perhaps you referring to edge lords on the Internet making snide or rude comments. This is nothing to worry about. I heard people talk about hanging or shooting Obama for several years when I lived in Idaho. Celebrating and fantasizing about killing the President did absolutely nothing.

                Second, we already live in a society where the right wing is constantly calling for violence. They have been openly talking about killing people from the Democratic party for decades. Rush Limbaugh was particularly found of this and he received the Medal of Freedom.

                Let’s be clear here, a couple of edgy people have celebrated his death. A lot of people recognize he was a piece of shit and are not upset at all other than to say no one should have to die this way.

                The violent rhetoric comes regularly from the conservatives. Even the president of the United States sent a message he was bringing the Department of War to Chicago to enact an apocalypse. Kind of blows a few edge lords cheering on Kirk’s death out of the motherfucking water.

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                MacN'Cheezus
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                Well, since you can clearly tell the difference between talking about killing someone and actually killing them, I’m sure it won’t be too difficult to tell the difference between fantasizing about someone’s dead and actually celebrating it.

                But the real problem is that while Kirk may have been a dunderhead, at least he was still willing to have a debate. The next guy they’re gonna send likely isn’t going to be so kind. You want fascism? Because killing the people who are willing to talk is how you get fascism.

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                • MacN'CheezusM MacN'Cheezus

                  Well, since you can clearly tell the difference between talking about killing someone and actually killing them, I’m sure it won’t be too difficult to tell the difference between fantasizing about someone’s dead and actually celebrating it.

                  But the real problem is that while Kirk may have been a dunderhead, at least he was still willing to have a debate. The next guy they’re gonna send likely isn’t going to be so kind. You want fascism? Because killing the people who are willing to talk is how you get fascism.

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                  doomsider@lemmy.world
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                  No one is celebrating, this is the same lie told about Muslims celebrating 9/11. This is second rate propaganda and I am surprised you would peddle in this nonsense.

                  Kirk was much more than a dunderhead. Whatever the fuck that means. He was a hate monger and declared so by several reputable organizations. He is a horrible Martyr, one only a truly white supremacist could love.

                  I am under no illusion about fascism. We are a fascist nation that is slipping deeper into a techno feudalism state. I agree that Fascism thrives on violence. Going around killing people is what they already are doing. Just par for the course.

                  So many innocent children die every year needlessly thanks to gun proliferation. We should be collectively crying about this national loss we face year after year. It is now the number one killer of children outpacing motor vehicle collisions.

                  Instead we are trying to lionize a loser.

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                  • D doomsider@lemmy.world

                    No one is celebrating, this is the same lie told about Muslims celebrating 9/11. This is second rate propaganda and I am surprised you would peddle in this nonsense.

                    Kirk was much more than a dunderhead. Whatever the fuck that means. He was a hate monger and declared so by several reputable organizations. He is a horrible Martyr, one only a truly white supremacist could love.

                    I am under no illusion about fascism. We are a fascist nation that is slipping deeper into a techno feudalism state. I agree that Fascism thrives on violence. Going around killing people is what they already are doing. Just par for the course.

                    So many innocent children die every year needlessly thanks to gun proliferation. We should be collectively crying about this national loss we face year after year. It is now the number one killer of children outpacing motor vehicle collisions.

                    Instead we are trying to lionize a loser.

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                    MacN'Cheezus
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                    No one is celebrating

                    You literally said in your previous post that all the people who celebrated were edgelords, meaning there WERE people celebrating. Which is it? How about you get your own story straight before accusing me of peddling second-rate propaganda.

                    He was a hate monger

                    Whatever the fuck that means…

                    I agree that Fascism thrives on violence. Going around killing people is what they already are doing. Just par for the course.

                    Okay, so your plan for fighting fascism is doing the exact same thing that you say fascism thrives on… do you really expect that to work?

                    Instead we are trying to lionize a loser.

                    I’m certainly not trying to lionize him. I’m trying to get it through your thick head that making him a martyr for his cause was a phenomenally stupid idea, and everyone who was celebrating it is an absolute retard.

                    As objectionable and annoying as his words may have been while he was alive, none of them ever managed to fire up their base quite the way his death did. All this has accomplished is to pour oil on the fire. You thought fascism was bad now? Well, MAGA just got their Horst Wessel. It’s about to get way worse.

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                    • MacN'CheezusM MacN'Cheezus

                      No one is celebrating

                      You literally said in your previous post that all the people who celebrated were edgelords, meaning there WERE people celebrating. Which is it? How about you get your own story straight before accusing me of peddling second-rate propaganda.

                      He was a hate monger

                      Whatever the fuck that means…

                      I agree that Fascism thrives on violence. Going around killing people is what they already are doing. Just par for the course.

                      Okay, so your plan for fighting fascism is doing the exact same thing that you say fascism thrives on… do you really expect that to work?

                      Instead we are trying to lionize a loser.

                      I’m certainly not trying to lionize him. I’m trying to get it through your thick head that making him a martyr for his cause was a phenomenally stupid idea, and everyone who was celebrating it is an absolute retard.

                      As objectionable and annoying as his words may have been while he was alive, none of them ever managed to fire up their base quite the way his death did. All this has accomplished is to pour oil on the fire. You thought fascism was bad now? Well, MAGA just got their Horst Wessel. It’s about to get way worse.

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                      doomsider@lemmy.world
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                      Please provide proof massive amounts of people are cheering in the streets or holding block parties he is dead or just do us a favor and shut the fuck up. A few edge lords talking shit is insignificant. It is clear you are spreading propaganda at this point.

                      A hate monger is a purveyor of hate. It has a very clear definition unlike dunderhead which is meant to downplay the fascist little cunt he was.

                      What part about us living in a fascist state are you not getting. Open up your eyes for a second. We have a police force abducting legal residents, torturing them, and then sending them to random foreign countries to be imprisoned without a trial.

                      We are already there and have been for several decades. Did you miss the US toppling democracies and installing fascist dictators for funzies during the Cold War?

                      I am trying to get it through your white supremacists loving ass that this guy is the shittiest damn martyr ever. A racist asshat who openly advocated for the worst of humanity. A guy that unironically said people have to die to protect the second amendment and then was killed by a gunman.

                      Maga was already doing it all already, give me a fucking break. All you spew is propaganda and you are acting like a fascist apologist who wants to downplay a racist misogynist loser. Have fun erecting his statue and turning him into a saint.

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