Political discourse

Liberals perceive criticism for enabling the right and opposing the left at every opportunity as left in-fighting.

The left identifies the liberals as part of the right.

Well they are slightly vague terms, so please don’t feel stupid. A shocking amount of people who think they know, don’t know.

Left wing politics are generally about a rejection of hierarchy of people. Consequently, they tend to be interested in an international community because we are all the same and deserve the same. As freedom is something that everyone wants for themselves, the left tend to be in favor of an equally free community, e.g. freedom to love.

Right wing politica are generally about hierarchy of people. But not because the hierarchy is necessarily the point, but it tend to be in favor of maintaining the current state, Which just happens to be hierarchical. And usually everything get viewed from a hierarchical pov. E.g. nationalism is a hierarchical view of country and people, your country and its people above other country and their people.

Obviously you could point at the historical stance of us republicans that they want a small government and argue that a small government creates less of 2 class citizens, the law markers and the citizens. But the left would point out that a small government just enables the powerful people to exploit the weak people and create more 2 class citizens.

On the left: The strong hierarchy in the previous attempts of “communism” is the reason why some people will say that true communism was never tried. Other will argue that you need a little bit of authority to run a communustic state.

So the whole thing is a little more complex than “freedom” and “restrictions” and who supports what “restrictions” when.

Who over at .ml is trying to start a civil war?

might need to back up a little. personal, private, and public ownership are different things in one of the areas i worked in. same distinction? personal property is still legal, just privately held businesses not so much. brain’s fuzzy, am i remembering right?

tankie is, as i understand it, a combination of authoritarianism, leftism, and some weird nostalgia for the soviet union i’m not entirely sure i’ve just been casually trying to pick stuff up.

i’ve known too many people who went anarchist > ancap > asshole > sovcit. I’m sure it works well for you, but i feel like it’s playing with fire black tar heroin

Firstly, this concept only applies to means of production, as in the stuff that is used to produce stuff which could be sold. So e. g. a sewing machine.

Without getting into the weeds:

a. Personal: You own and operate the sewing machine, you pay for the resources consumed and own the item produced. (Good)

b. Private: You own the sewing machine but someone else operates it. You pay the resources consumed, the laborer a previously agreed upon amount and own the item they produced. (bad)

c. Public: the public owns the sewing machine and pays for the resources consumed. The laborer is paid the value of their work. That is, the value of the item produced minus the value of the resources consumed. (Very good)

How “the public” and “the value” are determined is the source of leftist infighting (anarchists vs marxist-leninist). But since both agree that private ownership needs to be abolished the call is for leftist unity to stand together against the people that currently own the means of production privately (the bourgeoisie) and exploit those that have to sell their laborforce in order to survive (the proletariat).

Imagine looking at the current state of the USA and saying “communists are the problem!”

Not now that the term has expanded to mean everything to the left of Kamala Harris.

These liberals and their “both-siding” will be the death of us all

The vast majority of communists globally are “tankies”. I know that Westerners don’t consider non-westerners to be “real” though

So you’re wrong but too arrogant to admit it

Isn’t there a difference between the right and the far right though

a little left of centre with a leaning towards liberty (i.e. away from authoritarian).

Interesting. Tell me, what’s your opinion on the banning of Palestinian Action?

thanks for the refresher! i have worked in too many similar fields with bullshit jargon where they have basically made homophones antonyms just to fuck with anyone who decides to get uppity and do anything cross-discipline so now my brain is:

it’s one of those “i know i learned this somewhere, and i’ll remember in 3 days i’m sure!” things so thanks for helping a fellow out.

the one’s who do the bad shit and the one’s who support it. sure if thats enough difference for you ig

No issue, here is a good intro to Marxism if you want it https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm

Good thing the political spectrum left of center is far more nuanced than just being communism, then.

Also, not going to get into a debate about whether certain people should be considered people or whatever you’re baiting, sounds like fascism to me.

“thinking that non-westerners are people sounds like fascism to me. I’m a leftist by the way”