Political discourse

Trying to pretend that there’s a concerted far-left effort to create civil war in 'Murica is patently absurd

Idk man, I spent altogether too much time over in .ml, and now my view on what is “far left” has changed quite drastically. And that group certainly seems hell bent on starting a civil war.

There are absolutely far more MAGAs, but the tankies are, unfortunately, still far left.

There is literally only 1 downvote

Right: in favor of privately owned means of production.
Left: in favor of publicly owned means of production.

Can I be a leftist without being a tankie then?

Try anarchism. Goes down smooth

might need to back up a little. personal, private, and public ownership are different things in one of the areas i worked in. same distinction? personal property is still legal, just privately held businesses not so much. brain’s fuzzy, am i remembering right?

Can I be a leftist without being a tankie then?

They both support Donald Trump, for example.

lmao what?

They both enable ethnostates to send minorities to camps.

lmao what?

They believe in a nation ruled by one supreme absolute leader.

Dictatorship of the proletariat doesn’t mean total rule by one dude named proletariat, it means total rule by the people.

Yes? You do realize tankies are a minority group and that in many nations “leftist” is just a normal political position?

I’m honestly not sure what you’re trying to say here

You’ve already asserted that everything is politics whether I like it or not, including this conversation, and since I don’t get involved in “prove me wrong” political conversations on the internet I’ll just exit.

tankies are such a small niche group, i dont think theres enough of them to have a significant on policy, unlike right wingers have real numbers on thier hands.

That’s still an oversimplification. In reality political opinion varies across a spectrum; it’s not just hard left, hard right, or no opinion. My own views for example are a little left of centre with a leaning towards liberty (i.e. away from authoritarian). So of course I get called a nazi by the hard left, and a tankie by the hard right, both of which are utter nonsense.

Firstly, this concept only applies to means of production, as in the stuff that is used to produce stuff which could be sold. So e. g. a sewing machine.

Without getting into the weeds:

a. Personal: You own and operate the sewing machine, you pay for the resources consumed and own the item produced. (Good)

b. Private: You own the sewing machine but someone else operates it. You pay the resources consumed, the laborer a previously agreed upon amount and own the item they produced. (bad)

c. Public: the public owns the sewing machine and pays for the resources consumed. The laborer is paid the value of their work. That is, the value of the item produced minus the value of the resources consumed. (Very good)

How “the public” and “the value” are determined is the source of leftist infighting (anarchists vs marxist-leninist). But since both agree that private ownership needs to be abolished the call is for leftist unity to stand together against the people that currently own the means of production privately (the bourgeoisie) and exploit those that have to sell their laborforce in order to survive (the proletariat).

Isn’t there a difference between the right and the far right though

thanks for the refresher! i have worked in too many similar fields with bullshit jargon where they have basically made homophones antonyms just to fuck with anyone who decides to get uppity and do anything cross-discipline so now my brain is:

it’s one of those “i know i learned this somewhere, and i’ll remember in 3 days i’m sure!” things so thanks for helping a fellow out.

The vast majority of communists globally are “tankies”. I know that Westerners don’t consider non-westerners to be “real” though

Good thing the political spectrum left of center is far more nuanced than just being communism, then.

Also, not going to get into a debate about whether certain people should be considered people or whatever you’re baiting, sounds like fascism to me.

“thinking that non-westerners are people sounds like fascism to me. I’m a leftist by the way”

i’ve known too many people who went anarchist > ancap > asshole > sovcit. I’m sure it works well for you, but i feel like it’s playing with fire black tar heroin