Political discourse

thanks for the refresher! i have worked in too many similar fields with bullshit jargon where they have basically made homophones antonyms just to fuck with anyone who decides to get uppity and do anything cross-discipline so now my brain is:

it’s one of those “i know i learned this somewhere, and i’ll remember in 3 days i’m sure!” things so thanks for helping a fellow out.

the one’s who do the bad shit and the one’s who support it. sure if thats enough difference for you ig

No issue, here is a good intro to Marxism if you want it https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm

Good thing the political spectrum left of center is far more nuanced than just being communism, then.

Also, not going to get into a debate about whether certain people should be considered people or whatever you’re baiting, sounds like fascism to me.

“thinking that non-westerners are people sounds like fascism to me. I’m a leftist by the way”

All people are people, regardless of where they live. Borders are just another way for capitalists to fuel the class war. Keep malding that I’m not a tankie

Say what. No one I know has ever gone down that route. Anarchism is the furthest reach from ancap or sovcit.

I guess I and my friends have the antidote: read some actual theory. You couldn’t possibly agree with theory then go ancap. Sounds like you’re describing YouTube anarchists.

Incoherent.

Preferring discourse over violence

The sister comments to this one are already calling the poster a fascist

Anyone who stands against genocide and opposes war has been lumped in with “tankie” for a long while now. That centrist is empowering the Nazis.

The difference between the two using the following anecdote explains why I hate what you said: if you ask me politely to go fuck myself, I might or might not comply; if you put a gun to my head and do the same thing, I have no choice but to comply. My point is that violence, including the threat to commit it, works more often than not.

Kimmel got fired for pointing the spotlight back at Trump and Epstein. Had nothing to do with Kirk.

Literally just the most basic Marxist definition of the state. Calling this incoherent is an epic self own.

Incapable/unwilling to understand is completely district from impossible to be understood.

Yes, you can even be a communist without being a tankie.

My point is that violence, including the threat to commit it, works more often than not.

If your thinking is very short term. Long term it starts a cycle of increasing violence in which everyone loses.

Thanks for the grasroots money, this small group is actually very loud. The loudest of them all. They maintain the illusion that communism is when you like Russia, and that’s their entire purpose

I disagree that left of center is more nuanced than communism. Most communists historically reject all forms of sectarianism, although we can fall into it anyway for a lot of reasons. I have love and admiration for many progressive liberals, and leftists that are not communists (commies are often not the most left faction, leninists tend to be more center left.) When you get to this level of analysis though, left right and center stop being useful and you have to dig into actual issues and political action.

But many progressive liberals are wrongheaded or idealist and dualist, which is not conducive to nuance. But also people are often much more deep and full of insight than their politics suggest

In many cases, I think so. People everywhere get their morality from culture. Since many people are raised conservative, and risk damaging their social connection in their community by straying from conservative values, people can be very protective of certain social conventions and perspectives, out of fear of social isolation or even alienating themselves from their actual nature in order to adhere to social convention.

Its an understatement to say that the far right/fascism weaponizes this fact. But many many conservatives are workers which means that they share lived exploitation with the rest of us. Capitalism is the force that divides the working class, and when we participate in divisive/sectarian tendencies then whatever ideology we claim, leftist or whatever, then we are carrying water for the billionaire class.

Its not always that simple though. Many people experience real trauma by having conservative values thrust upon them. Objective morality is a plague, but so is dualism. We need to think completely differently and work with others to navigate these dynamics

The ACP is the only american so-called communist org that supports Trump, and virtually every other segment of the serious organized left considers them a fascist org. Don’t buy into fascist framing of issues or you are working for the fascists when you spread them