I figured this out during the pandemic
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The Tragedy of the Commons is very tragic and very common.
JustRight.jpg, chef’s kiss.
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don’t even bother having a society
Societies are the mechanism used to pass down historical accounts and ingrain in future generations the value of current cultural practices. The only way you have a functional state is with a current society of people who advocate, educate, and lead us towards its replication and expansion on behalf of future generations.
have them just kill and gang rape everyone they want to, it’s cheaper that way
There’s more to life than its spot price at auction.
Societies are the mechanism used to pass down historical accounts and ingrain in future generations the value of current cultural practices. The only way you have a functional state is with a current society of people who advocate, educate, and lead us towards its replication and expansion on behalf of future generations.
Great job of explaining that with your previous statement. /S
There’s more to life than its spot price at auction.
Not in the society you explained! I’d rather take the pretense away.
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I really don’t know how to convince people they should care about others.
I don’t know how to teach empathy.
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They do care about others, but only the ones they know.
People they don’t know, they don’t care about at all.
That is why when they meet someone of the “others” and they make a connection, they call them “one of the good ones”. The rest of the same group they still don’t care about, just that one person.
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I really don’t know how to convince people they should care about others.
I don’t know how to teach empathy.
You’re taught empathy by empathetic parents.
And we see now a lot of families have a long lineage of cunts.
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Others are willing to give much more, but most people still have limits (for example, being willing to die for a cause is much rarer than people who are willing to go to a peaceful protest)
right, but I’m saying this in the context of things that are literally more beneficial. Dying is not literally more beneficial.
Like it costs $3 to give someone a loaf of bread. It costs $10k or something to shove them in jail for theft.
Yes but then i wouldn’t get to punish anyone, which would make me sad. You didnt consider my feelings as worth more than 3$?
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I don’t care about other people at all. Leave me alone and let me be.
But I also don’t believe that anyone should go homeless or hungry when we have billionaires with plenty of money to share, which is why I refuse to vote republican.
Bottom line is that people annoy me, but I still have empathy.
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1: Those who value human life
2: and those who don’t
It’s kind of the eternal struggle when you think about it
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I don’t care about other people at all. Leave me alone and let me be.
But I also don’t believe that anyone should go homeless or hungry when we have billionaires with plenty of money to share, which is why I refuse to vote republican.
Bottom line is that people annoy me, but I still have empathy.
Hello, fellow empathetic misanthrope (or is that “misanthropic empath”?)
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Add a third category for those who willingly oppress others.
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They do care about others, but only the ones they know.
People they don’t know, they don’t care about at all.
That is why when they meet someone of the “others” and they make a connection, they call them “one of the good ones”. The rest of the same group they still don’t care about, just that one person.
This. Even Hitler liked his dog and I’ve never heard of him abusing his wife. There are for sure psychopaths (or was it sociopaths?) who genuinely don’t care about literally anybody, but you don’t need that condition to massmurder.
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I know that you’re explaining the argument and not actually endorsing it, so this isn’t directed at you:
You know that they just get given food at jail, right? And it’s still your money paying for that. And now those people are literally restricted from participating in society. If we fed them without jailing them, they could hold a job and spend money and provide to their community; instead we are paying for a punishment hotel to house and feed them in isolation. So if you subtract the cost of food from both sides since we’re feeding them either way, you just want to pay a lot of money to make them miserable, and also waive any benefit that society could recoup from having them be fed.
you just want to pay a lot of money to make them miserable, and also waive any benefit that society could recoup from having them be fed.
Pretty much what they want, but some are even worse. There is a phrase “3 hots and a cot” to mean 3 meals and a place to sleep. People like my uncle say it with disgust, as if they shouldn’t be fed, that they’re somehow on an enviable vacation being in prison… They’re so gross…
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Oh there is further division.
There’s also those who understand that they care too much for their own good and try not to.
And then there is those that are good at finding out what others care about and using it against them. -
1: Those who value human life
2: and those who don’t
It’s kind of the eternal struggle when you think about it
It’s :
- Those who value human life and
- Those who $$value$$ human life
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It’s not just about caring for others. They get offended by seeing anybody be a better person in any way, so they want to criminalize being a good person to never feel inferior to others again, without having to actually do anything good themselves.
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You misunderstood what I meant, so I must have communicated badly.
I meant, people who often say “leave me alone” are “libertarian” types who want to benefit from society without contributing as they’re able (with money or labor). Think of the kind of guy who says “leave me alone! I don’t want to pay taxes for some school. I don’t even have kids.” They benefit from public education, but they don’t see it that way, and they’d rather keep that 20% of their paycheck than have a fire department. I wouldn’t call a baby a “freeloader” because they’re not really capable of doing much. It’s when people can contribute but selfishly and self-destructively choose not to that I’m scornful.
In other words, when someone says their politics are “leave me alone” I am very suspicious of their understanding of society. They want the privileges of society without the obligations, typically.
When I say “leave me alone”, I mean:
- don’t come up to my table when I am studying, snatch what I am working on and run away…
- don’t bang/kick on my door when you only intend to run away…
- don’t steal stuff from my bag/locker/whatever container legally marked as mine…
- don’t, when you randomly see me walking on the road, minding my own business, come and beat me up or try to frame me for some random crime that you made up…
… just to then say, “oh! I’m just trying to make friends”.
If that is how you (whoever that is) make friends, leave me alone. I don’t want to be made into your “friend”.
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When I say “leave me alone”, I mean:
- don’t come up to my table when I am studying, snatch what I am working on and run away…
- don’t bang/kick on my door when you only intend to run away…
- don’t steal stuff from my bag/locker/whatever container legally marked as mine…
- don’t, when you randomly see me walking on the road, minding my own business, come and beat me up or try to frame me for some random crime that you made up…
… just to then say, “oh! I’m just trying to make friends”.
If that is how you (whoever that is) make friends, leave me alone. I don’t want to be made into your “friend”.
I don’t think I’ve encountered any of those behaviors, except maybe rarely in like middle school. Those are not healthy, prosocial behaviors, nor are they commonplace.
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I had to pretend to not care about others, because you actually get shamed if you do care. So I push forward all sorts of anti-social things, because it’s best we just end this society thing now and stop hurting each other.
Humans are clearly unworthy of having societies. So I run on 0 trust.
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This. Even Hitler liked his dog and I’ve never heard of him abusing his wife. There are for sure psychopaths (or was it sociopaths?) who genuinely don’t care about literally anybody, but you don’t need that condition to massmurder.
Hitler iirc, tried to smuggle out a jew, in an ironic twist.
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I really don’t know how to convince people they should care about others.
I don’t know how to teach empathy.
It’s simply a property you have or don’t have. Obviously it’s a more meaningful, deeper thing than being a bootstraps sociopath. But the thing is, if someone needs an actual reason to have empathy, then they just aren’t truly a good person really.
The way I try to convince them, is by saying that empathy is the reason they are here, and have what they do. And that like others gave to them, they should give to others. It’s like a retroactive deal, where the reason the whole thing works, is because you pay forward to the next generation, in hopes that they will do the same.
Then we got generations of bootstrap sociopaths that leave their own children in impossible situations. They don’t care about right or wrong.
