I Got This Right, Right?
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Oh, so a bad faith argument
No. I chose to ignore apologist language. Seems quite unpopular with those using words to annoy instead of communicate.
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The article has screenshots.
Yes, and the voter registration is for a Tyler Robinson, not a Tyler James Robinson.
The Snopes fact check has a screenshot of the registration of Tyler James Robinson.
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Yes, and the voter registration is for a Tyler Robinson, not a Tyler James Robinson.
The Snopes fact check has a screenshot of the registration of Tyler James Robinson.
Fair enough.
Does that make the shooter a leftist?
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No. I chose to ignore apologist language. Seems quite unpopular with those using words to annoy instead of communicate.
Which is, indeed, a bad faith argument.
Also, answering their comments is not ignoring.
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Fair enough.
Does that make the shooter a leftist?
Not on its own, but he’s not exactly a registered Republican either. Just wanted to correct that one thing.
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yeah, I agree. But like, pointing fingers at “politicians” broadly speaking is still just pointing fingers.
Yeahhhhh explaining stuff isn’t my specialty I always end up explaining things wrong lol it’s a bad habit
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Not on its own, but he’s not exactly a registered Republican either. Just wanted to correct that one thing.
Are his parents leftist?
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Are his parents leftist?
No, but I also hear that there are a lot of leftists with right wing parents, especially in Utah. Maybe that was why he moved out, I don’t know.
Maybe he was more right wing instead. I don’t know. I’m not the person who was saying he was leftist. I was just pointing out that he wasn’t a registered Republican.
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No, but I also hear that there are a lot of leftists with right wing parents, especially in Utah. Maybe that was why he moved out, I don’t know.
Maybe he was more right wing instead. I don’t know. I’m not the person who was saying he was leftist. I was just pointing out that he wasn’t a registered Republican.
Was his upbringing a leftist one?
Were his friends? Neighbors? Church? Schoolmates? Bible class? Pastor?
The point, which apologists are eagerly falling over themselves to avoid, is that he was in a right wing world and had all of that in his corner. They’d like to focus instead on the chance that he may have rebelled against MAGA.
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So how do you know he’s right wing?
Edit: Also how do address the hate comment? And justify him killing Kirk for not being far-right enough?
I don’t. I don’t really think the information points to a specific ideology at this point in time. I’d give the odds of them being conservative about 65%. He was born and raised in a Christian conservative family. In a religious conservative state. Gay hate can only really exist in an environment without gay people, same thing for people who hate trans people.
Which hate comment are you talking about? I am not familiar, so this might change my opinion.
As for not being far right enough, that’s easy. The online and professional media have been playing the game of who can be more extreme for a while now. I believe there’s a lot of conservatives out there who would be willing to kill someone on their same side for not being extreme enough. They would consider them traders, grifters, or not real conservatives.
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Deranged take, touch grass
Right back at you. Finger guns
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Was his upbringing a leftist one?
Were his friends? Neighbors? Church? Schoolmates? Bible class? Pastor?
The point, which apologists are eagerly falling over themselves to avoid, is that he was in a right wing world and had all of that in his corner. They’d like to focus instead on the chance that he may have rebelled against MAGA.
Everybody described him as being withdrawn, it seems like nobody but his roommates knew anything about him, but those roommates haven’t talked as much. It’s like none of the people that were physically around him were part of his world, and they describe him as being online a lot.
I think he was more shaped by the internet than the people physically around him. Especially since he was described as being apolitical until after he left his parents’ home.
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Sorry, my ignorance of LGBTQ does not dilute my point.
However, in my ignorance, I touched on something you didn’t try to refute and I appreciate it: Republicans are quite often in the closet while publicly raging against the thing they secretly embrace.
thats for sure a thing.
with regards to the shooter i recommend reading ken klippenstein’s piece on him, it does not sound like theres enough evidence to firmly consider him a conservative or a groyper or an anarchist yet. he’s weirdly apolitical (aside from executing a bigot for as-yet-vague reasons) and several definitive assertions have been made and later retracted by large media outlets, often citing sources that recanted or hearsay that proved false.https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie
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thats for sure a thing.
with regards to the shooter i recommend reading ken klippenstein’s piece on him, it does not sound like theres enough evidence to firmly consider him a conservative or a groyper or an anarchist yet. he’s weirdly apolitical (aside from executing a bigot for as-yet-vague reasons) and several definitive assertions have been made and later retracted by large media outlets, often citing sources that recanted or hearsay that proved false.https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie
Thanks for the article. I’ll read it now.
EDIT: I’d already read this one. It’s probably more factual than anything mainstream media has done and that’s including those from either side of the political spectrum.
These days they’re all bowing to Trump anyways so who knows what to trust.
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Everybody described him as being withdrawn, it seems like nobody but his roommates knew anything about him, but those roommates haven’t talked as much. It’s like none of the people that were physically around him were part of his world, and they describe him as being online a lot.
I think he was more shaped by the internet than the people physically around him. Especially since he was described as being apolitical until after he left his parents’ home.
Sounds like a typical rightwinger that ends up as a young shooter to me.
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Sounds like a typical rightwinger that ends up as a young shooter to me.
Possibly, I’m waiting until a motive is confirmed.
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Can we get a link from The associate press or Reuters and not a British tabloid.
Parents said their son became more political
While authorities say Robinson hasn’t been cooperating with investigators, they say his family and friends have been talking.
Robinson’s mother told investigators that their son had turned left politically in the last year and became more supportive of gay and transgender rights after dating someone who is transgender, Gray said.
Those decisions prompted several conversations in the household, especially between Robinson and his father. They had different political views and Robinson told his partner in a text that his dad had become a “diehard MAGA” since Trump was elected.
Mason added that the family’s views “differed quite significantly,” and the conversations were at times controversial between parents and son.
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Thanks for the article. I’ll read it now.
EDIT: I’d already read this one. It’s probably more factual than anything mainstream media has done and that’s including those from either side of the political spectrum.
These days they’re all bowing to Trump anyways so who knows what to trust.
yeah its a shitshow
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No, not really, I mean some tankies out there are like that, but then again if your logic is on the level of tankies you’re most likely wrong. A right wing shooter killed Kirk, that’s just a fact.
that’s just a fact
Should be easy for you to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt right now then.
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I don’t. I don’t really think the information points to a specific ideology at this point in time. I’d give the odds of them being conservative about 65%. He was born and raised in a Christian conservative family. In a religious conservative state. Gay hate can only really exist in an environment without gay people, same thing for people who hate trans people.
Which hate comment are you talking about? I am not familiar, so this might change my opinion.
As for not being far right enough, that’s easy. The online and professional media have been playing the game of who can be more extreme for a while now. I believe there’s a lot of conservatives out there who would be willing to kill someone on their same side for not being extreme enough. They would consider them traders, grifters, or not real conservatives.
He was born and raised in a Christian conservative family. In a religious conservative state.
The origin story of many gay people or future political leftists.
Gay hate can only really exist in an environment without gay people, same thing for people who hate trans people.
Assertion. It’s like saying you can’t hate men unless you grow up in a society without them. People hate all kinds of people for all kinds of reason. This argument doesn’t work.
Which hate comment are you talking about?
He said Kirk was spreading hate.
I believe there’s a lot of conservatives out there who would be willing to kill someone on their same side for not being extreme enough.
What you believe has nothing to do with what is true. There is no evidence that he thought Kirk wasnt extreme enough. In fact his hate comment indicates it could be the opposite. (e.g. that he saw Kirk as a Nazi that needed to be killed)
