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I Got This Right, Right?

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  • D diskcrasher@lemmy.world

    They now claim he was “left leaning”. It’s a war of propaganda.

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    theoriginalgregtoo@lemmy.world
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    What are your reasons for thinking he was on the Right?

    My understanding is that everyone who has publicly spoken about him has indicated that while he was raised in a Republican family, he himself held strong Left views. His friends/classmates have indicated he had become very vocal about this and regularly got into arguments over it. He was in a relationship with a trans individual which is a decidedly Left behavior. More than that he murdered a Republican poster boy because of his ideology (as indicated by Tyler himself).

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    • C chrischryse@lemmy.world

      Ik just feels like they don’t care. Overall I just hate all this in fighting makes it hard to get stuff done when you point fingers and shit

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      jsomae@lemmy.ml
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      yeah, I agree. But like, pointing fingers at “politicians” broadly speaking is still just pointing fingers.

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      • N neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works

        We don’t have confirmation on all of his motives yet; however what we do know about the shooter, his upbringing, lifestyle, etc. is that the poster responding to OP in the image above is largely correct.

        There are indeed conflicting accounts that his roommate was trans, or his partner was, or similar. None of that’s been verified yet, and even if so, it doesn’t explain the shooter’s motivations.

        What we do know about the shooter is that he largely fits the model of a deeply conservative republican, and that fits with how he was raised, his family, and as his grandmother puts it: “Their family was all MAGA”.

        Going off that, and a lot of other circumstantial details/evidence, it’s clear that he was at one point a deeply MAGA character.

        Beyond that or what his current motivations are? We can only extrapolate. Those extrapolations largely lead in the direction that he shot Kirk because Kirk didn’t back some of the same extremist beliefs he held. Those beliefs are similar to what Nick Fuentes believes in, which is also why he’s currently being labeled a Gyroper.

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        theoriginalgregtoo@lemmy.world
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        I feel like we have a pretty definitive understanding of his motivations. This is directly from Tyler when discussing why he did it, “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” Where is the ambiguity in this?

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        • S Schadrach

          Nobody has direct evidence of the shooter’s motivations or political affiliation today. Nobody.

          From the texts between him and his roomate that have been publicly released. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/charlie-kirk-shooting-prosecutor-utah

          “Roommate: ‘Why?’ Robinson: ‘Why did I do it?’ Roommate: ‘Yeah.“’ Robinson: ‘I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.”

          So, we have his direct statement to his transwoman roommate as to his motive, either you can take that at face value or claim it’s some carefully crafted lie intentionally meant to deceive us as to his real motives. You do you.

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          theoriginalgregtoo@lemmy.world
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          “He’s talking about hatred towards the Right, not the Left”

          -Lemmy communist attempting to cope

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          • C chrischryse@lemmy.world

            The politicians just want to continue spreading fear no matter the side imo. I hate how they want to argue instead of trying to unify us (which is what they seem scared to do cuz a unified nation will turn against them)

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            ronniepickering@lemmy.world
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            That is utter bullshit. The right is wanting to go door to door and kill democrats and keep saying this is war. The left is saying we dont condone this kind of abhorrent behavior. They are NOT the same at all.

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            • HighlandCowH HighlandCow

              Don’t we not even know of the guy is truly guilty yet? There is hardly any Information about him yet to even make a good opinion

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              theoriginalgregtoo@lemmy.world
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              I mean his DNA was found on the gun, there’s a slew of text messages, handwritten notes, and video evidence showing that it was him, but I suppose a Republican could have broken into his house, stolen his DNA, planted incriminating messages, and borrowed his clothing. At this point we really just don’t know, anything is possible.

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              • 58008@lemmy.world5 58008@lemmy.world

                He should not have been shot. The shooter was, like virtually all such people, a narcissistic main character sociopath who only cared about his own fame and notoriety, and was likely spending too much time in the damp and mushroomy corners of the internet instead of developing an actual personality in the real world. He’s less an anti-fascist soldier and more a Travis Bickle wannabe wanker.

                But Charlie Kirk was a humongous piece of shit and I am glad he’s dead. One fewer humongous pieces of shit to have to listen to. I would never advocate the murder of a man like him, and like I said, I think the shooter was a colossal cunt who unleashed way more danger and harm to marginalised groups than Kirk was capable of provoking on his own. But thank fuck he’s gone. Silver linings n’all that 🤷‍

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                ghostedic@sh.itjust.works
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                “Now, I would never advocate murder, but I’m super glad [public figure] is dead. I just wish a tree fell on them instead so it can’t be blamed on us.”

                Don’t be surprised when you see this line coming back at you from the other side.

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                • M manmoth@lemmy.ml

                  His Mom said he had become more political lately. Specifically left-leaning, pro-gay and pro-trans. He left a note for his trans roommate that he was going to assassinate Kirk. He said that he “Had enough of Kirks hatred” in his discord chat and inscribed pro-trans, gay and antifascist rhetoric on the bullets.

                  https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/charlie-kirk-murder-suspect-texts-motive-b2827814.html

                  How is any of this right wing?

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                  ghostedic@sh.itjust.works
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                  Hey, checking the facts isn’t welcome here!

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                  • T tollana1234567@lemmy.today

                    no it would alienate thier base, if they blame the right wing group associated with fuentes. the gop could lose seats if they start recognizing that a right winger is the shooter, and those supporters would turn on them in a second. they are also finding it difficult to blame the left, because almost none of the political violence is caused by the left in the first place, except for rare instances.

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                    ghostedic@sh.itjust.works
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                    I’m starting to think there are more rare instances of left wing violence than common instances of right wing violence.

                    In the future, when you watch more of Tyler Robinson’s social media get released to the public and then see him testify at trial, you will see how obvious it is that the claims he was anything other than a pure “reddit leftist” were shameless gaslighting.

                    When that happens, please try to think back to all the other times you’ve been lied to.

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                    • mojofrododojo@lemmy.worldM mojofrododojo@lemmy.world

                      they love antifa because they can point at anything they don’t like and scream antifa, and now law enforcement will fall on it.

                      fucking fascists.

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                      theoriginalgregtoo@lemmy.world
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                      The left loves Antifa because they can use it as cover for illegal behavior. It’s convenient that you continue to claim Antifa doesn’t exist, yet you all coordinate with each other in breaking the law. Hard to coordinate with something that doesn’t exist.

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                      • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                        According to The Onion, he once had a trans Uber driver so that obviously makes him a leftist.

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                        ghostedic@sh.itjust.works
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                        You can bake cookies twice a week for years and nobody calls you a baker.

                        But you have sex with ONE HORSE…

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                        • G ghostedic@sh.itjust.works

                          I’m starting to think there are more rare instances of left wing violence than common instances of right wing violence.

                          In the future, when you watch more of Tyler Robinson’s social media get released to the public and then see him testify at trial, you will see how obvious it is that the claims he was anything other than a pure “reddit leftist” were shameless gaslighting.

                          When that happens, please try to think back to all the other times you’ve been lied to.

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                          Encrypt-Keeper
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                          There aren’t. The majority of political violence is committed by those with right wing ideologies. That isn’t to say that that can’t change in the future, but we’re a ways away from the right losing that crown.

                          This year alone there were more political figures assassinated on the left by the right, than vice versa.

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                          • M manmoth@lemmy.ml

                            You could be characterized the same way.

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                            orrk@lemmy.world
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                            No, not really, I mean some tankies out there are like that, but then again if your logic is on the level of tankies you’re most likely wrong. A right wing shooter killed Kirk, that’s just a fact.

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                            • G ghostedic@sh.itjust.works

                              You can bake cookies twice a week for years and nobody calls you a baker.

                              But you have sex with ONE HORSE…

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                              jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                              Hello, Uncle Jack.

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                              • M manmoth@lemmy.ml

                                His Mom said he had become more political lately. Specifically left-leaning, pro-gay and pro-trans. He left a note for his trans roommate that he was going to assassinate Kirk. He said that he “Had enough of Kirks hatred” in his discord chat and inscribed pro-trans, gay and antifascist rhetoric on the bullets.

                                https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/charlie-kirk-murder-suspect-texts-motive-b2827814.html

                                How is any of this right wing?

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                                wolf314159@startrek.website
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                                So, far right parents in a conservative religion in a Republican town in a Republican state produced a child so tortured by a culture of hate and violence that as soon as they even start to lean either way their instinct is murder. Breaking the cycle of hate is relatively easy compared to breaking the cycle of violence. The statements they made to their roommate (even if that heresay is true) just confirm that they were a troubled child from a troubled culture trying to change. It should surprise no one that those childish attempts would be a VERY twisted reflection of the ideal. So no, he was not part of the left. Just a child in pain reacting the only way their conservative upbringing taught them.

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                                • N neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works

                                  Nobody has direct evidence of the shooter’s motivations or political affiliation today. Nobody.

                                  That could change, but today this is true.

                                  Any evidence we have is circumstantial. Most of that circumstantial evidence points in the direction of an extreme right winger.

                                  I’m sure there’s some circumstantial evidence pointing in the opposite direction, but it pales in comparison to the circumstantial evidence pointing in the far right direction.

                                  Much of the circumstantial evidence pointing away from the far right came from a mis-attribution from the FBI to a trans rights marker that was debunked as categorically untrue. Or statements from the Utah Gov which are (AFAIK) not backed up by any actual evidence other than how he “wishes” it was. Or from Trump who is known for lying and making things up.

                                  I’d be curious what evidence they have that hasn’t been announced/released yet that makes them think that.

                                  I suspect they want it to be true that he was left leaning and they may be assigning too great a weight on the debunked FBI claims, the Utah Gov claims, and Trump’s claims; despite most of the circumstantial evidence that’s been released so far pointing in the direction of him being far right.

                                  To be clear, this could change later today if the investigators were to release evidence about the shooter’s motivations. Until then, all we’ve got to go on is what circumstantial stuff has been released so far, and that’s largely pointing in the direction of the far right.

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                                  ghostedic@sh.itjust.works
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                                  Hi, I’m here to remind you that this is utterly delusional and even reddit mods are about to get real quiet how this “he was right wing” fabrication.

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                                    nialv7@lemmy.world
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                                    We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk’s death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.

                                    But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don’t know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.

                                    Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.

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                                    • N nialv7@lemmy.world

                                      We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk’s death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.

                                      But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don’t know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.

                                      Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.

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                                      jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                                      What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.

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                                      • W wolf314159@startrek.website

                                        So, far right parents in a conservative religion in a Republican town in a Republican state produced a child so tortured by a culture of hate and violence that as soon as they even start to lean either way their instinct is murder. Breaking the cycle of hate is relatively easy compared to breaking the cycle of violence. The statements they made to their roommate (even if that heresay is true) just confirm that they were a troubled child from a troubled culture trying to change. It should surprise no one that those childish attempts would be a VERY twisted reflection of the ideal. So no, he was not part of the left. Just a child in pain reacting the only way their conservative upbringing taught them.

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                                        lemmyprnt@lemmy.world
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                                        No true scotsman. Being against ideas of the right and killing someone for espousing them ipso facto is left wing.

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                                        • N nialv7@lemmy.world

                                          We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk’s death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.

                                          But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don’t know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.

                                          Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.

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                                          peruvian_skies@sh.itjust.works
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                                          Specifically what evidence released by the investigation do you feel characterizes the alleged killer as left-leaning? I have not seen any such evidence.

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