I Got This Right, Right?

Attraction isn’t really exclusively based on sex, though. It’s about a whole range of factors, including how someone presents their personality and their physical traits. Many trans women have a lot of traits people find attractive in women generally, so being attracted to a trans woman is consistent with heterosexual attraction.

This means that liking trans women doesn’t automatically mean you’re attracted to men, so calling it gay is an oversimplification of how attraction works.

You could argue that in a strictly biological sense it is homosexual, but that ignores a whole range of social factors, which isn’t really how the term “gay” is colloquially used.

I’m challenging the certainty of this entire site. My personal opinion is that he is a broken product of a nihilistic culture. I also think that he hated Charlie because he thought Charlie hated gays even though he was a big tent conservative that was inclusive for all. What people don’t understand is that Kirk WAS the moderate conservative.

There are also plenty (arguably way more) that are lefties that hate Trump’s guts. What’s your point?

~~Kirk was definitionally a fascist.

As for what the shooter is, I’m sure time will tell. I don’t see a need to jump to conclusions on that yet.~~

Edit: duplicate post due to lag. Please ignore

Kirk was definitionally a fascist.

As for what the shooter is, I’m sure time will tell. I don’t see a need to jump to conclusions on that yet.

“I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.”

Robinson’s mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro–gay and trans–rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, especially between Robinson and his father, who had very different political views.

You people are fucking dipshits.

Nice examples provided to illustrate your point.

Right. MAGA never go for self-preservation against rightwing retaliation.

Put the pieces together. Aside from what I already said:

-Estranged from right wing family

-Dating a transwoman

-Struggled with gender identity

-Complaining about hatred

None of these things are characteristic of the right.

Balance that against an entire life of rightwing indoctrination. That’s a rightwing kid with mental issues.

I will not concede this bullshit talking point that “the left” did this when we all have eyes.

Who’s somebody on the right that’s not a fascist in your view? The craziest thing is that people are calling him a Nazi when one of the biggest goals of his organization was to stake a big tent and prevent people from being radicalized. He was a “constitutionalist” milquetoast conservative. With him being killed now his audience will certainly go further right.

oh sure, I’m not talking about this case obviously

I was thinking about things like epstein files not being made public and left accusing right, and right accusing left

Mass surveillance, facism, war… that happened under obama now happens with trump

Don’t have examples on left blaming right when it happens though, I was mainly saying that each side will blame the other for things they have done too, but obviously I missed the point of this post because that’s clearly not it. I also believe I wanted to say that one side is quick to accuse the other without real evidence, and assumes that the other one is responsible when it’s not that simple.

after re-reading my comment I feel dumb, I’ll strike the text. Sorry.

This means that liking trans women doesn’t automatically mean you’re attracted to men, so calling it gay is an oversimplification of how attraction works.

I get it. Calling it hetero would seem like an oversimplification as well though. We need more words!

Attraction isn’t really exclusively based on sex, though

I get it, but making it solely based on gender isn’t a good idea as well I believe. Doesn’t seem specific enough. Also, trans women and trans men don’t necessarily change physically, right? They can still look like their birth gender, that’s what’s throwing me off I believe.

That is kinda a strange way to counter my point that he is definitionally a fascist. Are you saying that if enough people are fascist then the none of them are?

I am saying that the rhetoric that Kirk used fits the definition of fascist rhetoric. If everyone in the world meets that definition, then everyone in the world is fascist. That’s how definitions work.

Balance that against an entire life of rightwing indoctrination.

You are describing probably 80% of liberals. Political opinion is not genetic.

Killing someone for “spreading hate” is not a right wing phenomenon.

Lol. That’s a hell of a stretch. You’re welcome to keep pushing this line while I roll my eyes and ignore it.

Kirk believed in a constitutional republic and Presidential elections. He was also, due to being a Christian, positionally anti-LGBT but not antagonistic to them. This position is hardly something new. He welcomed them into his movement and has plenty of gay fans. He held classically right wing positions which some may find objectionable but nonetheless cling fervently to a liberal world order. Fascism is inherently anti-liberal.

what kind/amount of evidence would it take for you to believe that the shooter was either not right wing, or had left wing ideals?

I didn’t imply the entire right was fascist. I think a lot of them are. But I also think a lot of them aren’t. I also think some lefties are fascists. I think some liberals are fascists. I think some black people are fascist. I think some Jewish people are fascist. I think some Palestinians are fascist. Name a group of people, I guarantee you some percentage of them are fascist. It’s an easy ideology to fall into. It feels comfortable.

I’ll write this again in case you missed it the first time. Fascism has a definition. There are criteria to categorize. What is fascist’s behavior, What are fascist beliefs, what is fascist ideology.

You want so badly for me to be some crazy leftist who calls everyone a fascists without cause. But I’m sorry, I’m not. I’m intentionally calling Kirk a fascist. Because he meets the definition. I’m not saying it hatefully, I’m not saying it with emotion. It’s just 1+1=2. The sky is blue. The grass is green. Kirk is a fascist.

What is the definition you are using?