Based and Red Pilled Gigachad, many such cases đ
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Damn⌠Iâm desperate, but even I wouldnât suck that
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This is true. Also there are zero mainstream media outlets that are not propaganda of some kind or another at this point. When you intentionally read all kinds of biased news it becomes more and more obvious.
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The current state American society has been in for the last 10 to 15 years is heavily a consequence of Russian info ops. Many countries run info ops. But no country has done as much damage as Russia
Yeah, no. American Oligarchs did social media. Youtube, Twitter, facebook, instagram all American. First they did it for money now they are doing it openly for power. Cambridge Analytica, anti-vax, anti-trans, anti-abortion, anti-immigrant all of these are made by Americans to poison the world. And they are going to do much worse with AI. Americans destroyed the world.
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Youâre not wrong. I like to think Iâm immune to proponganda because Iâm anarchist but itâs pretty obvious that I can be fooled just as easily as anyone by the pretense of speaking truth to power
My then history teacher said everyone is affected by propaganda, even trained and studied individuals like him. To think you are immune to influence from other people is very naive.
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Russia and China have been manipulating discourse in the US since 2016; and American media is happy to let them.
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Yeah, letâs just ignore the right-wing think tanks, the majority of conservative/MAGA influencers who arenât on Russiaâs payroll, and right-wing ânewsâ organizations. Itâs totally just Russia and not right-wingers trying to destroy the country to grab all the power for themselvesâŚ
Yeah, I donât think they need to be on Russiaâs payroll anymore. Theyâre in deep.
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Iâm against the corporate elite which is why I parrot the media they stuff in my face!
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The current state American society has been in for the last 10 to 15 years is heavily a consequence of Russian info ops. Many countries run info ops. But no country has done as much damage as Russia
No other country has done as much? Weâre gonna just ignore how much support Israel has thrown behind Trump? Netanyahu was meeting and communicating with him during the 2024 election cycle, all while ignoring the Biden administration! Snubbing a sitting president for a prospective candidate!
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Yeah, no. American Oligarchs did social media. Youtube, Twitter, facebook, instagram all American. First they did it for money now they are doing it openly for power. Cambridge Analytica, anti-vax, anti-trans, anti-abortion, anti-immigrant all of these are made by Americans to poison the world. And they are going to do much worse with AI. Americans destroyed the world.
You understand the difference between a medium and the content on that medium right?
Thatâs a rhetorical question since you clearly donât.
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Yeah, I donât think they need to be on Russiaâs payroll anymore. Theyâre in deep.
How is Russia controlling their talking points now? Iâm responding to the OPâs meme. Is everybody on the right threatened, blackmailed, or are otherwise under duress? We know they arenât the most intelligent bunch, but they are being traitors for their own reasons - for the most part.
The major talking points mostly came from the aforementioned organizations and outlets even when some of these people were being paid.
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To be fair, everyoneâs views are shaped by propaganda of some kind, itâs quite literally unavoidable if you exist within any society. Lots of people like to think that their ideas are just the product of their own independent thinking, but that isnât really how people work.
While that is true, some propaganda is definitely more harmful while some others are relatively harmless.
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Yeah, letâs just ignore the right-wing think tanks, the majority of conservative/MAGA influencers who arenât on Russiaâs payroll, and right-wing ânewsâ organizations. Itâs totally just Russia and not right-wingers trying to destroy the country to grab all the power for themselvesâŚ
Whatâs so insidious about russiaâs psiop over the last few decades is that all theyâve done is gently nudge the dial. Theyâve sown distrust of traditional media and of democratic institutions, theyâve polarised discourse to that communities that mostly rubbed alongside one another reasonably well now are so idealogically opposed to each other that the middle ground has evaporated.
And if you think âhaha stupid MAGAsâ falling for propaganda, I got news for you buddy, youâve fallen for it too.
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Same statement from me, very different result. Death to fascists!
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THE LARGEST MOST COMMONLY WATCHED BEST FUNDED MEDIA OUTLET ISNT MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!1!
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Whatâs so insidious about russiaâs psiop over the last few decades is that all theyâve done is gently nudge the dial. Theyâve sown distrust of traditional media and of democratic institutions, theyâve polarised discourse to that communities that mostly rubbed alongside one another reasonably well now are so idealogically opposed to each other that the middle ground has evaporated.
And if you think âhaha stupid MAGAsâ falling for propaganda, I got news for you buddy, youâve fallen for it too.
Youâve fallen for propaganda that convinces you that there is an external enemy to worry about instead of actually looking at the situation critically. Right-wing organizations drive right-wing talking points.
Theyâve sown distrust of traditional media and of democratic institutions
Pretty sure they did that to themselves. I didnât need Russia feeding me propaganda to see through the bullshit, and many others reached that conclusion on their own. The Fairness Doctrine being repealed is one big reason why traditional media failed. Russia didnât do that.
theyâve polarised discourse to that communities that mostly rubbed alongside one another reasonably well now are so idealogically opposed to each other that the middle ground has evaporated.
Right-wingers and liberals alike have polarized discourse. Leftists arenât innocent either, especially MLs (many of whom seem to be biased towards Russia), but there are plenty of leftists I have interacted with or witnessed that are exceedingly fair, empathetic, and human.
Liberals blame anybody to the left of them for not falling in line, constantly mock or berate them for demanding better, and do absolutely nothing meaningful to improve their preferred party or seriously advocate for greatly improving the human condition in America. As for the right, we all know what they do.
middle ground has evaporated.
Politics and governance shouldnât be a game of tug of war where the Republicans have a monster truck pulling their side and Democrats are pretending to hold the rope on their side. It shouldnât be a tug of war game at all - that is what breeds polarization. It shouldnât surprise anyone that a two-party system and biased, partisan ânewsâ (that is literally entertainment) results in polarization.
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How is Russia controlling their talking points now? Iâm responding to the OPâs meme. Is everybody on the right threatened, blackmailed, or are otherwise under duress? We know they arenât the most intelligent bunch, but they are being traitors for their own reasons - for the most part.
The major talking points mostly came from the aforementioned organizations and outlets even when some of these people were being paid.
Huh? My point was that the people are pushing the insane bullshit on their own accord now because they believe it
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Huh? My point was that the people are pushing the insane bullshit on their own accord now because they believe it
What are some major talking points that Russia seeded in their heads that persist to this day or overtly inspire some of the right-wing talking points we presently see? The people on the right are pro-American in their minds - many likely believe they are more pro-American than anybody else.
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To be fair, everyoneâs views are shaped by propaganda of some kind, itâs quite literally unavoidable if you exist within any society. Lots of people like to think that their ideas are just the product of their own independent thinking, but that isnât really how people work.
I am not going to believe your propaganda! My pristine, untainted thoughts wonât take this slander. /s
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You understand the difference between a medium and the content on that medium right?
Thatâs a rhetorical question since you clearly donât.
Corporate control over an algorithm that decides who is served what content is a platform-agnostic tool of power over society. Weâre seeing that danger manifest in old and new ways every single day. That lever of power allows whomever owns that particular medium to push whatever content they like. That is the entire motivation behind and purpose of the Fediverse and other decentralization efforts.
Zuck and muskrat separate populations, push propaganda and influence discussions at an unprecedented level. The control a single corporation, a single authoritarian point of power has over such vast swathes of population dwarfs the propagandic power of Goebbles and Stalin by an order of magnitude or more.
I donât blame America explicitly like the other commenter. The conditions that have allowed the billionaire class to explode and wield power and influence exist elsewhere in the world as well. That said, Americaâs legal and regulatory frameworks did provide particularly fertile breeding grounds for the exploitation and hoarding of capital that produces billionaires.
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Youâve fallen for propaganda that convinces you that there is an external enemy to worry about instead of actually looking at the situation critically. Right-wing organizations drive right-wing talking points.
Theyâve sown distrust of traditional media and of democratic institutions
Pretty sure they did that to themselves. I didnât need Russia feeding me propaganda to see through the bullshit, and many others reached that conclusion on their own. The Fairness Doctrine being repealed is one big reason why traditional media failed. Russia didnât do that.
theyâve polarised discourse to that communities that mostly rubbed alongside one another reasonably well now are so idealogically opposed to each other that the middle ground has evaporated.
Right-wingers and liberals alike have polarized discourse. Leftists arenât innocent either, especially MLs (many of whom seem to be biased towards Russia), but there are plenty of leftists I have interacted with or witnessed that are exceedingly fair, empathetic, and human.
Liberals blame anybody to the left of them for not falling in line, constantly mock or berate them for demanding better, and do absolutely nothing meaningful to improve their preferred party or seriously advocate for greatly improving the human condition in America. As for the right, we all know what they do.
middle ground has evaporated.
Politics and governance shouldnât be a game of tug of war where the Republicans have a monster truck pulling their side and Democrats are pretending to hold the rope on their side. It shouldnât be a tug of war game at all - that is what breeds polarization. It shouldnât surprise anyone that a two-party system and biased, partisan ânewsâ (that is literally entertainment) results in polarization.
This is all kinda my point. Itâs not like Putin is just broadcasting stuff at the West. Wherever thereâs discussions happening online, Russia helps amplify divisive messages and the algorithms do the rest.
Sure the talking points come from bad actors in the West but Russia are and have been quietly manipulating all the conversation around all of it. And yes they do it to conversations on the left and the right.
