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I Got This Right, Right?

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  • N nialv7@lemmy.world

    We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk’s death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.

    But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don’t know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.

    Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.

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    jumbie@lemmy.zip
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    What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.

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    • W wolf314159@startrek.website

      So, far right parents in a conservative religion in a Republican town in a Republican state produced a child so tortured by a culture of hate and violence that as soon as they even start to lean either way their instinct is murder. Breaking the cycle of hate is relatively easy compared to breaking the cycle of violence. The statements they made to their roommate (even if that heresay is true) just confirm that they were a troubled child from a troubled culture trying to change. It should surprise no one that those childish attempts would be a VERY twisted reflection of the ideal. So no, he was not part of the left. Just a child in pain reacting the only way their conservative upbringing taught them.

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      lemmyprnt@lemmy.world
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      #99

      No true scotsman. Being against ideas of the right and killing someone for espousing them ipso facto is left wing.

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      • N nialv7@lemmy.world

        We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk’s death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.

        But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don’t know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.

        Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.

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        peruvian_skies@sh.itjust.works
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        Specifically what evidence released by the investigation do you feel characterizes the alleged killer as left-leaning? I have not seen any such evidence.

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        • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

          What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.

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          ghostedic@sh.itjust.works
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          Multiple people who were interviewed said he was getting into leftist politics, he called Charlie Kirk a “fascist”. He had a MTF trans girlfriend. These are not typical MAGA traits.
          https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero

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          • G ghostedic@sh.itjust.works

            Just to be clear, he was obviously part of the same way of left wing thinking that holds the following opinions:

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            surph_ninja@lemmy.world
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            #102

            Which of those opinions do you take issue with?

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            • G ghostedic@sh.itjust.works

              Multiple people who were interviewed said he was getting into leftist politics, he called Charlie Kirk a “fascist”. He had a MTF trans girlfriend. These are not typical MAGA traits.
              https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99g1e0z2ero

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              jumbie@lemmy.zip
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              #103

              Multiple people know him as from a rightwing family, he was photographed in MAGA gear, and plenty of MAGA are secretly gay.

              None of what you’ve said is even minutely comparable to the abundance of evidence that says he’s a rightwing abused child from a MAGA family.

              He’s also a registered Republic卐n.

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                hazardousbanjo@lemmy.world
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                #104

                Y’all remember when ISIS attacked that theater in Russia and Russia immediately blamed Ukraine despite ISIS openly admitting to it and begging for recognition?

                Yeah, this is more of the same from the party of Putin’s professional cock holsters.

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                • T theoriginalgregtoo@lemmy.world

                  The left loves Antifa because they can use it as cover for illegal behavior. It’s convenient that you continue to claim Antifa doesn’t exist, yet you all coordinate with each other in breaking the law. Hard to coordinate with something that doesn’t exist.

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                  mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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                  #105

                  do you have a single shred of evidence?

                  where do they go to sign up, antifa.org?

                  Hard to coordinate with something that doesn’t exist.

                  indeed; but you’ve figured it all out apparently, so drop the wisdom. how is ‘the left’ coordinating via ‘antifa’ to break the law?

                  also, what’s wrong with anti fascism? everyone should be anti fascism, unless you’re a goose stepping fascist cocksucker.

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                  • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                    Multiple people know him as from a rightwing family, he was photographed in MAGA gear, and plenty of MAGA are secretly gay.

                    None of what you’ve said is even minutely comparable to the abundance of evidence that says he’s a rightwing abused child from a MAGA family.

                    He’s also a registered Republic卐n.

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                    Overkrill
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                    cis guy dating a trans woman is not “gay”. he may himself identify as queer or bisexual but we don’t have to misgender his girlfriend out of a desire to play up his purported right wingedness.

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                    • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                      What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.

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                      nialv7@lemmy.world
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                      #107

                      First of all, you completely missed the main point of my comment. If you think there’s no evidence then you shouldn’t be claiming one way or the other either, yet this post is presenting him as definitively right wing.

                      Secondly, I didn’t say he is a left winger. I said (based on my judgement) the evidence shows he probably, maybe leans left.

                      And answering your “what evidence” question, his text message to his roommate is released by the investigation. There are also statement from his mother stating he is “getting more and more left” (obviously, grains of salt). And there are leaked (released?) Discord messages from the killer.

                      If you never heard any of these, then you probably are in an echo chamber.

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                      • OverkrillI Overkrill

                        cis guy dating a trans woman is not “gay”. he may himself identify as queer or bisexual but we don’t have to misgender his girlfriend out of a desire to play up his purported right wingedness.

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                        jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                        #108

                        Sorry, my ignorance of LGBTQ does not dilute my point.

                        However, in my ignorance, I touched on something you didn’t try to refute and I appreciate it: Republicans are quite often in the closet while publicly raging against the thing they secretly embrace.

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                        • N nialv7@lemmy.world

                          First of all, you completely missed the main point of my comment. If you think there’s no evidence then you shouldn’t be claiming one way or the other either, yet this post is presenting him as definitively right wing.

                          Secondly, I didn’t say he is a left winger. I said (based on my judgement) the evidence shows he probably, maybe leans left.

                          And answering your “what evidence” question, his text message to his roommate is released by the investigation. There are also statement from his mother stating he is “getting more and more left” (obviously, grains of salt). And there are leaked (released?) Discord messages from the killer.

                          If you never heard any of these, then you probably are in an echo chamber.

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                          jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                          I didn’t miss it. I ignored it the same way you so vociferously try to pull this rightwinger away from his rightwing history.

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                          • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                            I didn’t miss it. I ignored it the same way you so vociferously try to pull this rightwinger away from his rightwing history.

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                            nialv7@lemmy.world
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                            #110

                            Huh? That wasn’t what I was doing at all, you just pulled that accusation out of your ass. You asked me “what evidence”, so I answered, I guess that was the wrong thing to do.

                            So you actively ignore evidence that might be inconvenient to your opinions?

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                            • T theoriginalgregtoo@lemmy.world

                              I mean his DNA was found on the gun, there’s a slew of text messages, handwritten notes, and video evidence showing that it was him, but I suppose a Republican could have broken into his house, stolen his DNA, planted incriminating messages, and borrowed his clothing. At this point we really just don’t know, anything is possible.

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                              n0respect@lemmy.world
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                              To nitpick, the handwritten note under the keyboard got destroyed. So there isn’t any any more.

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                              • L loafedburrito@lemmy.world

                                Nope, if you talk to anyone on the right currently, everything the administration is doing right now is fine and they have broken no laws.

                                “Oh the democrats have done much worse.” When i ask them what things democrats have done that are close to what republicans do, they always bring up forcing kids to become trans or giving them hormones in school.

                                People really are that out of touch with reality.

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                                n0respect@lemmy.world
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                                #112

                                I have had the same experience and its frustrating. I mentioned Trumps claim that all his actions are legal, and his reply was “well it was ok when Biden said it”, like a knee-jerk reaction.

                                I had to JackieChan_WHAT.jpg while driving.

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                                • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                                  Multiple people know him as from a rightwing family, he was photographed in MAGA gear, and plenty of MAGA are secretly gay.

                                  None of what you’ve said is even minutely comparable to the abundance of evidence that says he’s a rightwing abused child from a MAGA family.

                                  He’s also a registered Republic卐n.

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                                  yistdaj@pawb.social
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                                  Different person with same name

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                                    Different person with same name

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                                    jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                                    The article has screenshots.

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                                    • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                                      I didn’t miss it. I ignored it the same way you so vociferously try to pull this rightwinger away from his rightwing history.

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                                      leonixster@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                      Oh, so a bad faith argument

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                                      • leonixster@lemmy.blahaj.zoneL leonixster@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                                        Oh, so a bad faith argument

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                                        jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                                        #116

                                        No. I chose to ignore apologist language. Seems quite unpopular with those using words to annoy instead of communicate.

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                                        • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                                          The article has screenshots.

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                                          yistdaj@pawb.social
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                                          Yes, and the voter registration is for a Tyler Robinson, not a Tyler James Robinson.

                                          The Snopes fact check has a screenshot of the registration of Tyler James Robinson.

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