I Got This Right, Right?

thats for sure a thing.
with regards to the shooter i recommend reading ken klippenstein’s piece on him, it does not sound like theres enough evidence to firmly consider him a conservative or a groyper or an anarchist yet. he’s weirdly apolitical (aside from executing a bigot for as-yet-vague reasons) and several definitive assertions have been made and later retracted by large media outlets, often citing sources that recanted or hearsay that proved false.

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/exclusive-leaked-messages-from-charlie

Everybody described him as being withdrawn, it seems like nobody but his roommates knew anything about him, but those roommates haven’t talked as much. It’s like none of the people that were physically around him were part of his world, and they describe him as being online a lot.

I think he was more shaped by the internet than the people physically around him. Especially since he was described as being apolitical until after he left his parents’ home.

Sounds like a typical rightwinger that ends up as a young shooter to me.

Can we get a link from The associate press or Reuters and not a British tabloid.

Thanks for the article. I’ll read it now.

EDIT: I’d already read this one. It’s probably more factual than anything mainstream media has done and that’s including those from either side of the political spectrum.

These days they’re all bowing to Trump anyways so who knows what to trust.

No, not really, I mean some tankies out there are like that, but then again if your logic is on the level of tankies you’re most likely wrong. A right wing shooter killed Kirk, that’s just a fact.

I don’t. I don’t really think the information points to a specific ideology at this point in time. I’d give the odds of them being conservative about 65%. He was born and raised in a Christian conservative family. In a religious conservative state. Gay hate can only really exist in an environment without gay people, same thing for people who hate trans people.

Which hate comment are you talking about? I am not familiar, so this might change my opinion.

As for not being far right enough, that’s easy. The online and professional media have been playing the game of who can be more extreme for a while now. I believe there’s a lot of conservatives out there who would be willing to kill someone on their same side for not being extreme enough. They would consider them traders, grifters, or not real conservatives.

So, far right parents in a conservative religion in a Republican town in a Republican state produced a child so tortured by a culture of hate and violence that as soon as they even start to lean either way their instinct is murder. Breaking the cycle of hate is relatively easy compared to breaking the cycle of violence. The statements they made to their roommate (even if that heresay is true) just confirm that they were a troubled child from a troubled culture trying to change. It should surprise no one that those childish attempts would be a VERY twisted reflection of the ideal. So no, he was not part of the left. Just a child in pain reacting the only way their conservative upbringing taught them.

Parents said their son became more political

While authorities say Robinson hasn’t been cooperating with investigators, they say his family and friends have been talking.

Robinson’s mother told investigators that their son had turned left politically in the last year and became more supportive of gay and transgender rights after dating someone who is transgender, Gray said.

Those decisions prompted several conversations in the household, especially between Robinson and his father. They had different political views and Robinson told his partner in a text that his dad had become a “diehard MAGA” since Trump was elected.

Mason added that the family’s views “differed quite significantly,” and the conversations were at times controversial between parents and son.

https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-tyler-robinson-court-death-penalty-f541df08a936e06497ee2342296bc398

He was born and raised in a Christian conservative family. In a religious conservative state.

The origin story of many gay people or future political leftists.

Gay hate can only really exist in an environment without gay people, same thing for people who hate trans people.

Assertion. It’s like saying you can’t hate men unless you grow up in a society without them. People hate all kinds of people for all kinds of reason. This argument doesn’t work.

Which hate comment are you talking about?

He said Kirk was spreading hate.

I believe there’s a lot of conservatives out there who would be willing to kill someone on their same side for not being extreme enough.

What you believe has nothing to do with what is true. There is no evidence that he thought Kirk wasnt extreme enough. In fact his hate comment indicates it could be the opposite. (e.g. that he saw Kirk as a Nazi that needed to be killed)

It’s interesting that tens of millions of people know the truth of him being a radical far-left homicidal maniac, but the few thousand people here continue to circlejerk over lies. I really expected better from lemmy. Oh well, it is what it is.

I mean his DNA was found on the gun, there’s a slew of text messages, handwritten notes, and video evidence showing that it was him, but I suppose a Republican could have broken into his house, stolen his DNA, planted incriminating messages, and borrowed his clothing. At this point we really just don’t know, anything is possible.

To nitpick, the handwritten note under the keyboard got destroyed. So there isn’t any any more.

It’s interesting that tens of millions of people know the truth of him being a radical far-left homicidal maniac, but the few thousand people here continue to circlejerk over lies. I really expected better from lemmy. Oh well, it is what it is.

do you have a single shred of evidence?

where do they go to sign up, antifa.org?

Hard to coordinate with something that doesn’t exist.

indeed; but you’ve figured it all out apparently, so drop the wisdom. how is ‘the left’ coordinating via ‘antifa’ to break the law?

also, what’s wrong with anti fascism? everyone should be anti fascism, unless you’re a goose stepping fascist cocksucker.

We can agree that the right wing is trying to use Kirk’s death as casus belli to start a civil war against us. We are in a dangerous position right now.

But at the same time we can also choose to NOT spread misinformation like this. No, we don’t know right now what political leaning the killer has. If anything, if the evidences released by the investigation can be trusted, he is more likely to be left leaning.

Yes, the right spreads misinformation all the time to further their goals. But I think we can do better.

cis guy dating a trans woman is not “gay”. he may himself identify as queer or bisexual but we don’t have to misgender his girlfriend out of a desire to play up his purported right wingedness.

Antifa is a loosely organized group of like minded individuals. There is no official membership, it’s an ideology welcome to any who share this world view. They develop tactics to intimidate and silence their opponents and help each other cover illegal and immoral behavior. This can be hitting people in the head with bike locks, throwing cups full of cement, lighting buildings on fire, and other destructive behavior. They wear black bloc and cover their faces so as not to be easily identifiable. They claim to be the good guys “fighting Nazis”, but really they’re a bunch of thuggish larpers with social behavior conditions and a lack of morals. I have hours and hours of video footage of Antifa individuals perpetrating violent and destructive acts against those they disagree with. They lean heavily into the untrue sentiment that they aren’t an organization as it allows them to side step any kind of legal accountability. In reality they operate sort of like sleeper cells in different regions protesting, rioting, stoking the flames to silence their political opponents. They’re scum.