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I Got This Right, Right?

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  • M manmoth@lemmy.ml

    His Mom said he had become more political lately. Specifically left-leaning, pro-gay and pro-trans. He left a note for his trans roommate that he was going to assassinate Kirk. He said that he “Had enough of Kirks hatred” in his discord chat and inscribed pro-trans, gay and antifascist rhetoric on the bullets.

    https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/charlie-kirk-murder-suspect-texts-motive-b2827814.html

    How is any of this right wing?

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    ronl2k@lemmy.world
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    How is any of this right wing?

    Plenty of trans people are right-wing Trumpers. Some of them are quite popular with plenty of videos on YouTube.

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      According to you, homosexuality is only about gender, not sex. This isn’t right and there is no consensus as far as I know. I would personally say a cis guy dating a trans woman is gay

      gender and sex are not the same, for the 100th time

      You’re the one inventing misgendering here

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      After a bit of research, it seems like it aims towards being based on gender and not sex, hmm. I might be wrong on this one?

      I believe I might think it’s about sex because I wouldn’t be interested in a non cisgender person, but that might only be me? I had the feeling that most heterosexual people would not be interested in trans people

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        The funny thing is you can rotate things around “right” -> “left” and it will still be valid

        Lemmy can’t stop bitching about right, it’s honestly funny

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        polysexualstick@lemmy.world
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        That’s not what happened though, is it? Where and when did this situation you are alluding to happen?

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          According to you, homosexuality is only about gender, not sex. This isn’t right and there is no consensus as far as I know. I would personally say a cis guy dating a trans woman is gay

          gender and sex are not the same, for the 100th time

          You’re the one inventing misgendering here

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          lemzlez@lemmy.world
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          Attraction isn’t really exclusively based on sex, though. It’s about a whole range of factors, including how someone presents their personality and their physical traits. Many trans women have a lot of traits people find attractive in women generally, so being attracted to a trans woman is consistent with heterosexual attraction.

          This means that liking trans women doesn’t automatically mean you’re attracted to men, so calling it gay is an oversimplification of how attraction works.

          You could argue that in a strictly biological sense it is homosexual, but that ignores a whole range of social factors, which isn’t really how the term “gay” is colloquially used.

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          • D deaf_fish

            Holy poop you are coming on wrong and hard. I don’t know if the shooter conservative or not, but you desperately don’t want him to be. Probably because it would look bad for you if he was.

            You’re not interested in the truth, just a narrative.

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            manmoth@lemmy.ml
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            I’m challenging the certainty of this entire site. My personal opinion is that he is a broken product of a nihilistic culture. I also think that he hated Charlie because he thought Charlie hated gays even though he was a big tent conservative that was inclusive for all. What people don’t understand is that Kirk WAS the moderate conservative.

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              How is any of this right wing?

              Plenty of trans people are right-wing Trumpers. Some of them are quite popular with plenty of videos on YouTube.

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              manmoth@lemmy.ml
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              There are also plenty (arguably way more) that are lefties that hate Trump’s guts. What’s your point?

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              • M manmoth@lemmy.ml

                I’m challenging the certainty of this entire site. My personal opinion is that he is a broken product of a nihilistic culture. I also think that he hated Charlie because he thought Charlie hated gays even though he was a big tent conservative that was inclusive for all. What people don’t understand is that Kirk WAS the moderate conservative.

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                deaf_fish
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                #155

                ~~Kirk was definitionally a fascist.

                As for what the shooter is, I’m sure time will tell. I don’t see a need to jump to conclusions on that yet.~~

                Edit: duplicate post due to lag. Please ignore

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                • M manmoth@lemmy.ml

                  I’m challenging the certainty of this entire site. My personal opinion is that he is a broken product of a nihilistic culture. I also think that he hated Charlie because he thought Charlie hated gays even though he was a big tent conservative that was inclusive for all. What people don’t understand is that Kirk WAS the moderate conservative.

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                  deaf_fish
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                  Kirk was definitionally a fascist.

                  As for what the shooter is, I’m sure time will tell. I don’t see a need to jump to conclusions on that yet.

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                  • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                    What evidence? So far, none of it says he is a left winger. Everything we do know points to a MAGA family and village of similar idiots with violent tendencies and a gun-loving way of life.

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                    lemmyprnt@lemmy.world
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                    “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.”

                    Robinson’s mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro–gay and trans–rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, especially between Robinson and his father, who had very different political views.

                    You people are fucking dipshits.

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                      The funny thing is you can rotate things around “right” -> “left” and it will still be valid

                      Lemmy can’t stop bitching about right, it’s honestly funny

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                      slvrdrgn@lemmy.world
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                      #158

                      Nice examples provided to illustrate your point.

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                      • L lemmyprnt@lemmy.world

                        “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.”

                        Robinson’s mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro–gay and trans–rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, especially between Robinson and his father, who had very different political views.

                        You people are fucking dipshits.

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                        jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                        Right. MAGA never go for self-preservation against rightwing retaliation.

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                          Right. MAGA never go for self-preservation against rightwing retaliation.

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                          lemmyprnt@lemmy.world
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                          Put the pieces together. Aside from what I already said:

                          -Estranged from right wing family

                          -Dating a transwoman

                          -Struggled with gender identity

                          -Complaining about hatred

                          None of these things are characteristic of the right.

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                          • L lemmyprnt@lemmy.world

                            Put the pieces together. Aside from what I already said:

                            -Estranged from right wing family

                            -Dating a transwoman

                            -Struggled with gender identity

                            -Complaining about hatred

                            None of these things are characteristic of the right.

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                            jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                            Balance that against an entire life of rightwing indoctrination. That’s a rightwing kid with mental issues.

                            I will not concede this bullshit talking point that “the left” did this when we all have eyes.

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                            • D deaf_fish

                              Kirk was definitionally a fascist.

                              As for what the shooter is, I’m sure time will tell. I don’t see a need to jump to conclusions on that yet.

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                              manmoth@lemmy.ml
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                              Who’s somebody on the right that’s not a fascist in your view? The craziest thing is that people are calling him a Nazi when one of the biggest goals of his organization was to stake a big tent and prevent people from being radicalized. He was a “constitutionalist” milquetoast conservative. With him being killed now his audience will certainly go further right.

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                                That’s not what happened though, is it? Where and when did this situation you are alluding to happen?

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                                oh sure, I’m not talking about this case obviously

                                I was thinking about things like epstein files not being made public and left accusing right, and right accusing left

                                Mass surveillance, facism, war… that happened under obama now happens with trump

                                Don’t have examples on left blaming right when it happens though, I was mainly saying that each side will blame the other for things they have done too, but obviously I missed the point of this post because that’s clearly not it. I also believe I wanted to say that one side is quick to accuse the other without real evidence, and assumes that the other one is responsible when it’s not that simple.

                                after re-reading my comment I feel dumb, I’ll strike the text. Sorry.

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                                • L lemzlez@lemmy.world

                                  Attraction isn’t really exclusively based on sex, though. It’s about a whole range of factors, including how someone presents their personality and their physical traits. Many trans women have a lot of traits people find attractive in women generally, so being attracted to a trans woman is consistent with heterosexual attraction.

                                  This means that liking trans women doesn’t automatically mean you’re attracted to men, so calling it gay is an oversimplification of how attraction works.

                                  You could argue that in a strictly biological sense it is homosexual, but that ignores a whole range of social factors, which isn’t really how the term “gay” is colloquially used.

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                                  This means that liking trans women doesn’t automatically mean you’re attracted to men, so calling it gay is an oversimplification of how attraction works.

                                  I get it. Calling it hetero would seem like an oversimplification as well though. We need more words!

                                  Attraction isn’t really exclusively based on sex, though

                                  I get it, but making it solely based on gender isn’t a good idea as well I believe. Doesn’t seem specific enough. Also, trans women and trans men don’t necessarily change physically, right? They can still look like their birth gender, that’s what’s throwing me off I believe.

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                                  • M manmoth@lemmy.ml

                                    Who’s somebody on the right that’s not a fascist in your view? The craziest thing is that people are calling him a Nazi when one of the biggest goals of his organization was to stake a big tent and prevent people from being radicalized. He was a “constitutionalist” milquetoast conservative. With him being killed now his audience will certainly go further right.

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                                    deaf_fish
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                                    That is kinda a strange way to counter my point that he is definitionally a fascist. Are you saying that if enough people are fascist then the none of them are?

                                    I am saying that the rhetoric that Kirk used fits the definition of fascist rhetoric. If everyone in the world meets that definition, then everyone in the world is fascist. That’s how definitions work.

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                                    • J jumbie@lemmy.zip

                                      Balance that against an entire life of rightwing indoctrination. That’s a rightwing kid with mental issues.

                                      I will not concede this bullshit talking point that “the left” did this when we all have eyes.

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                                      lemmyprnt@lemmy.world
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                                      Balance that against an entire life of rightwing indoctrination.

                                      You are describing probably 80% of liberals. Political opinion is not genetic.

                                      Killing someone for “spreading hate” is not a right wing phenomenon.

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                                      • L lemmyprnt@lemmy.world

                                        Balance that against an entire life of rightwing indoctrination.

                                        You are describing probably 80% of liberals. Political opinion is not genetic.

                                        Killing someone for “spreading hate” is not a right wing phenomenon.

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                                        jumbie@lemmy.zip
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                                        Lol. That’s a hell of a stretch. You’re welcome to keep pushing this line while I roll my eyes and ignore it.

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                                        • D deaf_fish

                                          That is kinda a strange way to counter my point that he is definitionally a fascist. Are you saying that if enough people are fascist then the none of them are?

                                          I am saying that the rhetoric that Kirk used fits the definition of fascist rhetoric. If everyone in the world meets that definition, then everyone in the world is fascist. That’s how definitions work.

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                                          manmoth@lemmy.ml
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                                          Kirk believed in a constitutional republic and Presidential elections. He was also, due to being a Christian, positionally anti-LGBT but not antagonistic to them. This position is hardly something new. He welcomed them into his movement and has plenty of gay fans. He held classically right wing positions which some may find objectionable but nonetheless cling fervently to a liberal world order. Fascism is inherently anti-liberal.

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