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Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

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  • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

    Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!
    https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

    #Fediverse #Mastodon

    DemianD This user is from outside of this forum
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    wrote last edited by
    #61

    @rysiek some of the criticisms seem legit and still pose challenges. And it got a pretty good boost from the birdsite imploding. But I’m glad to see it still going and slowly improving. So nice to have a non commercial social media space!

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    • DemianD Demian

      @rysiek some of the criticisms seem legit and still pose challenges. And it got a pretty good boost from the birdsite imploding. But I’m glad to see it still going and slowly improving. So nice to have a non commercial social media space!

      Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote last edited by
      #62

      @dgodon move slow and gradually improve things.

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      • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

        Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!
        https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

        #Fediverse #Mastodon

        DanD This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote last edited by
        #63

        @rysiek

        1. Terrible name

        lol

        "Lance Ulanoff was Chief Correspondent and Editor-at-Large of Mashable"

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        • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

          Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!
          https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

          #Fediverse #Mastodon

          WanWizard 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 🇳🇱W This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote last edited by
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          @rysiek LanceUlanoff: "This profile has been hidden by the moderators of mastodon.scot."

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          • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

            @Eeveecraft counterpoint: https://pluralistic.net/tag/scalloped-growth/

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            wrote last edited by
            #65

            @rysiek

            Counterpoint: that article is over three years old and was written not long after the Twitter exodus. That doesn't counter my point that the platform has plateau'd in terms of active users:

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            Estimates range from ~750k - 1m monthly active users, and I know it's been sitting at that for a while because I occasionally check in with FediDB. Monthly active users has been coasting around 1.1m - 1.2m for over a year now. Mastodon Analytics show that the monthly active user count is currently coasting downwards when zoomed all the way out:

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            How many users, active users, servers are on Mastodon?

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            Mastodon Analytics (mastodon-analytics.com)

            Server counts have also been decreasing.

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            • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

              Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!
              https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

              #Fediverse #Mastodon

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              mastodon is the level of petty I aspire to

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              • Luigi.exe (Dragonheart System)E Luigi.exe (Dragonheart System)

                @rysiek

                Counterpoint: that article is over three years old and was written not long after the Twitter exodus. That doesn't counter my point that the platform has plateau'd in terms of active users:

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                (fedidb.com)

                Link Preview Image
                Servers

                Find where to sign up for the decentralized social network Mastodon.

                favicon

                (joinmastodon.org)

                Fediverse Observer checks all sites in the fediverse and gives you an easy way to find a home from a map or list or automatically.

                We observe all Fediverse Sites. Find a Fediverse site to sign up for, find one close to you using a list, map or let us auto-pick one for you!

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                (fediverse.observer)

                Estimates range from ~750k - 1m monthly active users, and I know it's been sitting at that for a while because I occasionally check in with FediDB. Monthly active users has been coasting around 1.1m - 1.2m for over a year now. Mastodon Analytics show that the monthly active user count is currently coasting downwards when zoomed all the way out:

                Link Preview Image
                Mastodon Analytics

                How many users, active users, servers are on Mastodon?

                favicon

                Mastodon Analytics (mastodon-analytics.com)

                Server counts have also been decreasing.

                Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R This user is from outside of this forum
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                #67

                @Eeveecraft the point that piece is making is: such numbers do not mean "stagnation".

                Mastodon (the project) has overhauled it's management structure at long last and for the better, implemented a lot of functionalities people have been asking for years for (quote-toots, grouped notifications, many others).

                Fediverse (the community) understands itself better, has done a lot of work around becoming a more friendly place for newcomers – and that work continues.

                Fedi is anything but stagnant.

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                • Mx. Chara Aznable (they/them) of PnictogenM Mx. Chara Aznable (they/them) of Pnictogen

                  @RoyHorace @rysiek far better George Takei than William Shatner in this particular case!

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                  #68

                  @mxchara @RoyHorace @rysiek I for one am not glad to have the abusive Trekkie still on this platform. Shatner is an asshole but at least he's not an accused sex pest.

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                  • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

                    @Eeveecraft the point that piece is making is: such numbers do not mean "stagnation".

                    Mastodon (the project) has overhauled it's management structure at long last and for the better, implemented a lot of functionalities people have been asking for years for (quote-toots, grouped notifications, many others).

                    Fediverse (the community) understands itself better, has done a lot of work around becoming a more friendly place for newcomers – and that work continues.

                    Fedi is anything but stagnant.

                    Luigi.exe (Dragonheart System)E This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #69

                    @rysiek If you interpret the word, "Stagnant," like that, sure, but that's not what I mean by stagnant, and I thought that was pretty clear with the arguments and links I provided.

                    I mean stagnant in terms of growth, and I am talking about Mastodon specifically, we're not talking about the Fediverse in general. Where did I mention the Fediverse as a whole and not Mastodon?

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                    • Dec [{(:no_ai:)}]D Dec [{(:no_ai:)}]

                      @rysiek @chrisp
                      Unfashionable take, but I really liked G+ (in the early days, before the mandatory YouTube disaster).
                      I got in as part of the first wave of general public users, courtesy of an invite from a friend who worked for Google.

                      Woz was on it, and I found a lot of interesting music there (that wasn't being pushed anywhere else).

                      It (unsurprisingly) went to shit after they added the mandatory requirement to have a G+ account to add comments on YouTube videos.

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                      @dec23k It was great in the beginning. What I liked most about it was how communities formed by people sharing circles when that feature was introduced. You could share a circle if no more than 2000 people/accounts were in it. And people could choose to follow those up to 2000 people. There were a lot of circles going around with "people who regularly post on [TOPIC]". So you could follow those 300 or 800 accounts by putting them in their own circle and if you didn't like some of them, you'd remove those as they kept posting stuff you weren't interested in. I was in several such circles and I followed several of them. This shaped fan communities very fluently because everybody had a their own set of fans on a TV show, for example.

                      I had >1000 followers because of that and it was the most active platform I've ever been a part of, while one article after another kept coming out about how nobody ever posts anything of G+. The discrepancy between my experience and the public opinion was incredible and extreme.

                      But then they added "Communities" which were like groups on any other social platform and everybody started posting to those instead of to their personal timeline when they posted about things for which a community existed. And so everybody had to either pick one or a few communities or miss out on posts about their favourite TV show. That was the start of the end of it for me. @rysiek @chrisp

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                      • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

                        Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!
                        https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

                        #Fediverse #Mastodon

                        Leander LindahlL This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #71

                        @rysiek what a treat
                        "Mastodon cannot live on hype alone." 😂

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                        • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

                          Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!
                          https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

                          #Fediverse #Mastodon

                          Wendy 🐺S This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @rysiek I am happy to celebrate the ninth year of Mastodon Won't Survive. 🙂

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                          • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

                            Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!
                            https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

                            #Fediverse #Mastodon

                            Oberst EnzianO This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @rysiek That aged well lol

                            Ulanoff sounds like a very self important person. Hopefully he chose to remain on X.

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                            • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

                              @dgodon move slow and gradually improve things.

                              Danny Boling ☮️I This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @rysiek

                              I am totally ok with this plan. Slow is good!

                              @dgodon

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                              • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

                                Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!
                                https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

                                #Fediverse #Mastodon

                                MeaningfulBitsM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @rysiek it's bitter sweet to see that Lance is no longer a tech writer and he's just posting bird photos on #Facebook.

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                                • Luigi.exe (Dragonheart System)E Luigi.exe (Dragonheart System)

                                  @rysiek If you interpret the word, "Stagnant," like that, sure, but that's not what I mean by stagnant, and I thought that was pretty clear with the arguments and links I provided.

                                  I mean stagnant in terms of growth, and I am talking about Mastodon specifically, we're not talking about the Fediverse in general. Where did I mention the Fediverse as a whole and not Mastodon?

                                  Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @Eeveecraft fair enough. Mastodon is often a stand-in for fedi, hence me interpreting it that way.

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                                  • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

                                    Today more time has passed since the Mastodon Won't Survive piece got published than there is left until the AI bubble pops.

                                    Feeling old yet?

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                                    @rysiek 🥹🥹 yeah I miss the old days even tho I am around 20s I can feel back pain ehehe 😅😅

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                                    • BenjaminB Benjamin

                                      @rysiek *casually reading '8 years ago', not really believing it, looking at the calendar and groaning*

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                                      @BenjaminNelan
                                      1990 was ten years ago, and you can't convince me otherwise.
                                      @rysiek

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                                      • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

                                        Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!
                                        https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

                                        #Fediverse #Mastodon

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                                        @rysiek please don't open that article, they'll see an uptick in traffic coming from Mastodon, which won't survive

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                                        • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

                                          @quinn I don't think growth for growth's sake is the way to go, and while it does provide *a* signal, it is not *the* signal so to speak.

                                          I fully expect Bluesky to start enshittifying, because of course they will with their cryptocurrency bro overlords looking for payout eventually.

                                          Meanwhile fedi is doing its thing, getting more resilient, easier to join, dealing with some long-term issues around moderation and so on. And will be there, better prepared than ever, for the next wave.

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                                          @rysiek @quinn what do you mean by payback eventually?
                                          They will want it now if not yesterday!

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