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Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

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  • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

    Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!
    https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

    #Fediverse #Mastodon

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    @rysiek Mastodon lives as long as there are at least two people on it.

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    • EdE Ed

      @dec23k @Mabande @MarkAssPandi @rysiek

      Alternate Twitter apps were so popular Twitter had to close off their API just to get people onto the official one.

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      @EdCates @Mabande @MarkAssPandi @rysiek
      Yes, and that happened years before the 2022 buyout.

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      • JuhisH Juhis

        @Eeveecraft @rysiek Also, from what I've seen in the Mastodon community, the preference is that there wouldn't be a main instance that keeps growing but rather that Mastodon would promote other instances in the sign up phase to spread the people across different instances.

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        @hamatti

        @rysiek

        Never said I wanted one centralized instance to dominate, but okay.

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        • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

          @Eeveecraft @hamatti

          > My issue is that a platform the size of Mastodon isn't going to encourage sweeping changes to how the internet is inhabited.

          It already has. EU institutions have official presence here, EU regulations are inspired by the interoperability and federated nature of this here social network. There are many ways to "encourage sweeping changes" without having to be the biggest kid on the social media block.

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          @rysiek

          @hamatti

          Cool, and that doesn't mean much if hardly anyone actually interacts with said EU presence because hardly anyone uses the platform in comparison to others. Also, which regulations? You mean like the rapidly sweeping age-verification laws that are actively perpetuating mass-surveillance?

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          • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

            Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!
            https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

            #Fediverse #Mastodon

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            @rysiek #mastodon is the only social media platform worth anything. Long live #mastodon!

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            • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

              Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!
              https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

              #Fediverse #Mastodon

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              @rysiek does anyone want cake? 🎂🍰

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              • Dec [{(:no_ai:)}]D Dec [{(:no_ai:)}]

                @EdCates @Mabande @MarkAssPandi @rysiek
                Yes, and that happened years before the 2022 buyout.

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                @dec23k @Mabande @MarkAssPandi @rysiek oh gawd yes. I remember it affecting a buddy of mine who Twitter had approached to make an app for the Palm Pre. He did, only to have the APIs yanked out from under him.

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                • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

                  Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!
                  https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

                  #Fediverse #Mastodon

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                  @rysiek
                  The only thing missing here now is William Shatner.
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                  • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

                    I blogged about that last year:
                    https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/114284660479008679

                    To his credit, Lance Ulanoff admitted then he was wrong about fedi:
                    https://mastodon.social/@Lance_Ulanoff/114285108628269898

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                    @rysiek 2 Problems and the #answer below:

                    1/ The weakness is in people / their learning curve / energy + tolerance needed to figure it out. Iit's always going be the problem / challenge initially.

                    2/ Sometimes just better to install a new operating system / app + account FOR grandma etc *instead of understanding the install *

                    Allowing " #dualboot " (both commercial and #FOSS version to play around / migrate instead of just one or the other which probably good for learning curve.

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                    • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

                      I blogged about that last year:
                      https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/114284660479008679

                      To his credit, Lance Ulanoff admitted then he was wrong about fedi:
                      https://mastodon.social/@Lance_Ulanoff/114285108628269898

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                      @rysiek
                      The #ANSWER: (Continuing post... )

                      People need more active help on #Mastodon (a #helpdesk)

                      Not having help limits adoption.

                      Without commercial partners (for the good) etc it's less / not as actively good / not as practical.

                      Only for #techies obviously / mostly...

                      We need a constant team or #helpline to be like the #commercial teams (and #convert people to the good *more actively / personally*.

                      (E.G.) The addressing or people of same names etc is not easy.

                      #CollectiveTruth #Truth

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                      • Mike 🇬🇧 🇪🇺M Mike 🇬🇧 🇪🇺

                        @vfrmedia @RoyHorace @mxchara @rysiek
                        Shadow IT - I like that!

                        Yes, I could program a Commodore PET computer in Basic and a ZX-something-or-other.
                        The PET was at work in about 1981 and we used it to print laboratory results onto labels which avoided the errors from our nasty handwriting!
                        The HTML stuff was on a Mac of some shape and I was given a lot of encouragement by one of our consultant pathologists. In that job I also had to learn how to fettle a big DEC thingy with tape cartridges that ran a medium sized network.
                        At home I had a Prestel terminal and a home PC that I was happy to get into the insides of. (The first of those was an Amstrad PC1512 that's still in the loft)

                        So, yes, lots of IT background but none of it •directly• relevant to the 21st century.

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                        @MikeFromLFE

                        And yet so very, very relevant. Experience with those old machines taught you a great deal about how computers in general work, modern ones included. They still have the CPU, RAM, video frame buffer, keyboard, and so on. Some details are different, but the fundamentals mostly aren't.

                        You wouldn't get that knowledge so easily from operating a modern computer because everything's so polished and user-friendly now.

                        @vfrmedia @RoyHorace @mxchara @rysiek

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                        • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

                          Happy ninth Mastodon Won't Survive Day to all who celebrate!
                          https://mashable.com/article/mastodon-wont-survive

                          #Fediverse #Mastodon

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                          @rysiek it pays to have an open mind and not jump to conclusions. I'm so happy Mastodon is what it is. It is my space and not owned by giant couldn't care less codporates. Ironic really that Mastodon has steadily grown whilst Twitter has become the cesspool that is known today as X.

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                          • L'égrégore André ꕭꕬM L'égrégore André ꕭꕬ

                            @MarkAssPandi @rysiek The apps one is kinda strange though. Half of it's kinda valid ("no one knows how many instances there are and there's no list"), but just the fact that there's more apps than the official one? That's just weird (and deliberately forgetting the plethora of twitter apps there used to be before they shut that possibility down).

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                            @Mabande

                            Why would I *need* a list of all the instances?

                            Yes, listing them is largely impossible. Most of them are probably single-user servers in somebody's homelab. But so what? I'm not the Federation Police.

                            @MarkAssPandi @rysiek

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                            • Cheerios de BergeracS Cheerios de Bergerac

                              @rysiek what if Mastodon didn't survive and this is all limbo?

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                              @sexybenfranklin

                              Then why do I still have to pay for rent, food, and taxes?

                              @rysiek

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                              • Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦R Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

                                @dec23k why unfashionable? I never used it, but that doesn't mean it was bad. That was years before all the really toxic social media stuff started happening. No shade if you liked it.

                                The point I was making is that this here tiny little fedi has way more staying power than a social network with over a hundred million users at the time, pushed hard by one of the biggest tech companies in the world.

                                That, to me, is the superpower of decentralized services.

                                @chrisp

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                                @rysiek @chrisp
                                By "unfashionable take", I just meant that it's been common to see people quickly default to criticising G+, whether they used it or not.

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                                • Chris 🦑S Chris 🦑

                                  @rysiek best in this article is the missing tweet from twitter.com

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                                  @sturmsucht

                                  To be fair, there are plenty of missing toots on Mastodon, too.

                                  The other day, on a whim, I decided to go through my Mastodon archive, pick some random toots I boosted once upon a time, and view them again. Many of them were 404.

                                  Probably because a fair number of people here use the auto-delete feature.

                                  Nothing on social media---any social media—is permanent. Not unless you save a copy of it on your own computer (and have good backups of said computer).

                                  @rysiek

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                                  • xinit ☕X xinit ☕

                                    @nblr
                                    I've seen people say that about BS accounts. Just signing up to protect my brand! Like copycat accounts are concerned about accuracy in account impersonations. They'll let some celeb have their real "protected" account of @johnsmith on BS and just use @johrsrn1th to ask people for iTunes gift cards.

                                    @rysiek

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                                    @xinit @nblr

                                    Also, there are a zillion different Mastodon instances. He gonna get an account on every single one of them?

                                    @rysiek

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                                    • shellsharksS shellsharks

                                      @rysiek Obviously this looks painfully ridiculous reading it from the year 2026, but even back then he was laying it on a bit too thick, like he wanted it to fail 😡.

                                      We of course know it will live forever...

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                                      @shellsharks

                                      We are the Fediverse. Resistance is futile.

                                      @rysiek

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                                      • stux⚡️S stux⚡️

                                        @rysiek What "reporter" uses words like this in a tech article

                                        I think they had the feeling they where on Twitter still

                                        Clowns! 🤡

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                                        @stux

                                        Fool! Doctor Doom (played by John Mastodon) toots as he pleases!

                                        @rysiek

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                                        • steeph :verifiedqueer: :verifiedace: 🎆 ٩(˘◡˘)۶S steeph :verifiedqueer: :verifiedace: 🎆 ٩(˘◡˘)۶

                                          @dec23k It was great in the beginning. What I liked most about it was how communities formed by people sharing circles when that feature was introduced. You could share a circle if no more than 2000 people/accounts were in it. And people could choose to follow those up to 2000 people. There were a lot of circles going around with "people who regularly post on [TOPIC]". So you could follow those 300 or 800 accounts by putting them in their own circle and if you didn't like some of them, you'd remove those as they kept posting stuff you weren't interested in. I was in several such circles and I followed several of them. This shaped fan communities very fluently because everybody had a their own set of fans on a TV show, for example.

                                          I had >1000 followers because of that and it was the most active platform I've ever been a part of, while one article after another kept coming out about how nobody ever posts anything of G+. The discrepancy between my experience and the public opinion was incredible and extreme.

                                          But then they added "Communities" which were like groups on any other social platform and everybody started posting to those instead of to their personal timeline when they posted about things for which a community existed. And so everybody had to either pick one or a few communities or miss out on posts about their favourite TV show. That was the start of the end of it for me. @rysiek @chrisp

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                                          @steeph @rysiek @chrisp
                                          I had a similar experience, but with smaller numbers.

                                          It had a neat way of graphing shares of posts; it made it easy to spot the 'influencers'.

                                          The way that the Circles feature was implemented was what set G+ apart from every other platform.
                                          The move to 'Communities' was what killed it for me.

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